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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 10:22 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi all,

I just purchased a Honda CBR 1000RR, 2005. It is in great condition both cosmetically and engine wise. I am a novice by all definitions. I have driven the bike only twice since buying it 3 days ago and both times, I heard pretty loud knocking in the engine. I keep feeling that I am changing gears at low speeds and that is what is causing it. But it did knocking even in the first gear when I was trying to get it moving from a stand still.

Question: At what speeds/RPMs should I change from 1st to 2nd gear and up as I drive on city streets where I cannot go faster than 40mph? And at what speed I should change gears when on the freeway?

I love the bike and I am feeling I am ruining it. Help me become a better rider.

Thanks,

Sabre

Bike description: [http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/114/695/Motorcycle-Article/2005-Honda-CBR1000RR-Comparison.aspx]
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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 10:43 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Either a NOS system or a supercharger (preferably both) would fix your problems. 
 
 
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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 10:46 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks Martin, was looking into jerry rigging a jet propulsion system on the tail pipe but I guess I need to start small. :0)

Sabre
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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 10:49 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
sabre0 said...
Help me become a better rider.

OK, my best advice...ditch the literbike, get something appropriate to learn on, learn to ride the damn thing, then maybe get a literbike.

(If you have to ask when to shift, you have NO business riding a literbike.)
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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 10:57 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Have ridden bikes before and have graduated to literbike. Am a novice to literbike but not to riding. Trying to figure out what's the best way to ride THIS particular bike.
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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 11:06 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I go along with the thinking of Geoff along with most of the regulars on this board to many other m/c boards.  We all know that going to a sportbike FIRST is thrilling, but to dangerous unless you have learned how to ride by the MSF course to also gone to a smaller & more sensible bike to start out with & worked your way up to the 1000cc sportbikes or even the peaky 600cc sportbikes.

Arond a month or so ago I had pulled in for fuel at a station some hours away from my home, & up rolls the first '09 Honda 1000.  First I had ever seen.  He asked me what was wrong with his rear tyre.  I looked & told him there was no scuffing on the sides, OBVIOUSLY I used the wrong language for he TO was a newbike.  He had other questions, but being at a fuel station & others coming in with cages to trucks------well it was not the place to talk about m/c.  I did not since the bike was on warantee he was going to take it back to get this center only wear on his tyres corrcted, shows you he was newbie. 

Also noted while he had a FF helmet, but just light nylon jacket, T-shirt, jeans to sneakers.

A few weeks later I was fueling up at the same station & the owner & I are in talking terms.  He mentioned about the CBR 1000 & agreed & then told me, having also the only towing service, he was called out that evening.  The owner had really done himself & bike it.  The bike was TOTALLED & yes he would know a totaled cage to a totalled bike but also told me at the hospital besides a broken wrist his flesh looked like raw hamburger meat.

So does this CBR 1000 sould ideal for you as a beginner?

For your interest in town or on the hwys the shifting speed is around 3,500rpm, but watch out for the tricky throttle for a hair more & the bike will "come on pipe" & suddently the bike will explode under you.

As for riding such a bike around town at low revs is what we call LUGGING which is bound to do in the power-plant in sort time so give this bike some thought & start thinking of the MSF Course to also a lighter bike of around 250cc to 500cc.

What can you do with around 170hp at the crank?

Additionally are you able to SERVICE your bike on your own with additional tools, to experience?  if not then you will be amazed at the cost at a shop, not to mention tyres that wear our so darn quickly, along with sprockets to chains to batteries & just so much more that you will be looking at in no time.  Drop the bike a few  times at almost nil speeds & you will find out the cost of ABS plastics from the Honda shop-----which are dramatical.


Remember all the others on the road are crazy & out to kill you.

Post Edited (Smitty) : 9/16/2009 7:10:37 PM GMT

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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 11:13 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks Smitty.

Done MSF course, done riding other, smaller bikes, know how to stop the bike from 'coming on the pipe'. I understand everyone's concern and I appreciate that, really. Just looking for some useful info to make better use of what I have.

S
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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 11:32 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What does the knocking sound like? Can you describe it a little more? Is it just a sound or can you feel it through the clutch lever? Does it always happen, or only when the bike is warming up right after you start it? What grade of gas are you running in the bike?

Try to isolate where the noise is coming from. My Bandit started making a terrible knocking noise when setting off in 1st too. I thought it was in the engine, turned out that the chain needed to be replaced. Hopefully that is the case with your bike, and not a serious engine problem.
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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 11:39 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The knocking sound comes from the engine, I think, am not sure, will listen more carefully today. I don't feel it in the clutch lever at all. It does not always happen, only here and there and that is why I am thinking I am the problem, not the bike. Bike was well warmed when I was riding it, around 210 degrees so cold engine isn't the issue. And the previous owner had the tank full and I haven't even ridden it enough to get to fill :-) but will check with the prev owner what he used.

Thanks!

S
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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 11:40 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
My guess is that you are chugging the engine by short shifting... however, if you have to ask...

I have to to agree with Geoff and Smitty - it really doesn't seem as if you are nearly experienced enough for the bike you have. You may well be able to roll around on it slowly without incident (until something untoward happens, traffic snafu, inclement weather, a rush of testosterone, a slip of the wrist, etc.) but I guarantee you that you won't enjoy it nearly as much as a bike that you can totally control and whose abilities are better matched your own.

The CBR1000RR is a narrowly focused bike, built for the racetrack, and with abilities that simply cannot be fully exploited on public roads. An MSF course and bit of experience on smaller bikes really doesn't get you close - I fear that you don't know yet what you don't know - and that can get you in trouble very fast.

This is honestly not meant to be a condescending post - just concern and a reminder that it's important to match the bike's purpose, limits and abilities with those of the rider.
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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 11:53 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, it ain't a Harley so it likes revs. I haven't ridden your bike, or one like it but I do own a little 4 cyl Honda and I would say that you wouldn't want the revs to drop lower than about 3,000 in any gear. You might not get higher than third in town. You can change up on the freeway at as many revs as you care to dial in. Hang on to your hat though! I do feel, like others, that this isn't the bike for you right now.

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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 11:54 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That rocket'll do 70mph+ in first. Don't bother shifting, just ride around in first. E-z Peazy.


(((Ok, tongue in cheek. Don't do that. But, as others have said. If you have to ask,,,,,,,,,,)))

Just for giggles, next time out, shift (gently, carefully - EEEEEEeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssseeeeeee out that clutch) at 1/3 way to redline. That may be a little on the sportier side, but it'll surely be high enough rpm for the bike to shift smoothly and work properly. If you're shifting properly (Roll off throttle while squeezing clutch - make shift - eeeeaaaaassseee out clutch while <gently> rolling back on throttle) then if the bike's Ok it shouldn't make any noise. If it does, get it to someone who knows what they're doing for an opinion.

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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 12:23 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Keep the revs above 5K and then tell us what happens. That should decide whether the problem is you or the bike.

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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 12:39 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
@Racer1 - I didn't take it as a condescending post at all.

@Rcihard47 - I will be mostly driving on freeway, not in town. Just wanted to compare with other what everyone is doing. Each rider is different.

@Casper - Thanks for the refresher. I am going to be careful so as NOT to prove the skeptics right :-)

Thank you all for advice and concern. I think I have the info I needed. And I will be careful,

Sabre
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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 12:45 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That bike has an exhaust flapper valve (if stock) similar to the Yamaha exup system that can get noisy.

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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 12:48 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If you hear the knock only when you change gears it may not be a big problem. I know my ninja is loud right when the gear engages. like a clunking sound only when going into first gear from neutral. You may need to adjust the shifter linkage or the clutch cable. Before you do that replace whatever oil you have with good oil. if your as experienced as you say you are you will know which oil to use...if not...well your lying to us.
also a service manual specific for your bike will tell you the speeds in which each gear is intended to be used. make sure your chain isn't too loose ...


Can you give a better description of the knocking....does it sound like metal on metal and does it increase or decrease with the engine rpm's?

 

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Just out of curriosity, have you tried checking all the engine mount bolts to make sure they're tight?

Hondas don't usually shake the bolts loose too easily, but this bike is almost 5 years old now, and it can happen.

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You need one of these performance chips from ebay;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/25H-PERFORMANCE-CHIP-HONDA-CBR125R-CBF125-CBR-1000RR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem5ad3446942QQitemZ390091532610QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Good for another 25hp.

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I don't really agree with what other people are saying about setting off at 1/3 of redline. I understand this is a sportier bike, but it is still a 1000cc engine and should have enough low-end torque to pull from a stop without revving the piss out of it. When I set off on my Bandit 1200 the revs usually never get higher than 1,500 until the clutch is fully engaged. Although I've never ridden a superbike so maybe I'm wrong?

The only time mine has ever made a clunky noise when setting off was when I had the chain issue, and also if I somehow set off in second gear without realizing it. The bike makes a knocking noise similar to when your car has crap gas in it and you try to go up a steep hill. Detonation!
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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 3:09 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And BTW I don't think it's you. Knocking noises usually mean something mechanical is wrong. You ought to really consider having a mechanic take a look at it, especially since you just bought the bike and each time it gives you the same problem. Sounds like you may have bought a broke bike... try not to ride it too much until you get it figured out, it could be damaging itself more with every mile you put on.
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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 3:45 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
sabre0 said...
But it did knocking even in the first gear when I was trying to get it moving from a stand still.


definitely sounds like something else is causing the knock instead of the shifting. get it check by a professional asap. might be a kinked chain or bad sprockets....
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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 3:59 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I’m sorry but I don’t mean to be rude. When I read your post and all the answers from the forum veterans, I thought to myself, “Maybe he should check inside his helmet for the knocking”?
I’m commuting seven years, all year long in New York City Metro, and I’m doing it on a Kawa 125. Why are you riding a 1000? Do you commute to the moon?

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sabre0 said... I am a novice by all definitions.
Well, I stupidly missed this part. I suspect the engine is being lugged, and maybe we're getting some chain snatch.
 
Get off this bike before you take a ride you'll regret. You are not ready.

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  		   Posted 9/16/2009 6:11 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You can learn on a faster bike. Not all of them are suicide machine IF you use your head which I think sabre is doing.

Hondas are notorious for not having the best gearbox on the block and sometimes they will make a clunk when you engage lower gears. Keep your CBR above 4 grand when you shift and tell us then what happens.

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RedDog said...
You can learn on a faster bike. Not all of them are suicide machine IF you use your head which I think sabre is doing.


amen RD! i could never understand some people's logic because it's only a 'suicide machine' if the operator wants it to be. perhaps because in my experience, i've seen several riders started on literbikes and did well. i've also seen a few that didn't do too well because they didn't take the time to learn or chose to treat the streets like laguna seca. in those few cases, the bike has nothing to with the human error and poor judgements but the rider has everything to do with it. same goes for the little bikes, the ones that took their time to learn did well, the jackasses well....
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