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skyhawk04kilo
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| Posted 9/17/2009 3:43 AM (GMT -8) |   | jon, you're citing exceptions to the rule. Some people do commute on a literbike, but most people wouldn't find it comfortable. Some people will be okay starting on a literbike, but most people won't.
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RedDog
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| Posted 9/17/2009 4:45 AM (GMT -8) | |
jon said...
RedDog said...
You can learn on a faster bike. Not all of them are suicide machine IF you use your head which I think sabre is doing.
amen RD! i could never understand some people's logic because it's only a 'suicide machine' if the operator wants it to be. perhaps because in my experience, i've seen several riders started on literbikes and did well. i've also seen a few that didn't do too well because they didn't take the time to learn or chose to treat the streets like laguna seca. in those few cases, the bike has nothing to with the human error and poor judgements but the rider has everything to do with it. same goes for the little bikes, the ones that took their time to learn did well, the jackasses well.... At least some here are on the same page! But when you say that, it's like swearing in the church here.
To learn to ride is all about challenging yourself unless you want to be a pose-putter just farting up and down the stretches/boulevards/streets with chicken strips as wide as a barn door. You can take baby steps, read serious books and magazines, hunt down some old dogs that would be more than happy to help out, ride their path of travel, take it to the track, take MSF BRC/ERC/ARC (!), etc.
With an open mind for learning, you'll pick up quick and don't get stuck puttsing around on a 250 being passed by an old lady in a VW from a stop light or a 60 ton rig going uphill and then have to trade your bike 3 times to get to what you want. Nah, your stuck with your awesome litre bike and learning that one for years. There is a pleasure of having a bike for years and learning it's inside and out as you grow with it.
There are no speed killing machine if you ride them with your IQ. Just as there are no drunk-drive-me-to death cruiser biker ... It's all about the moron on top. Just stop being a moron.
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ianisme
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| Posted 9/17/2009 5:46 AM (GMT -8) | | RD, what did you learn on? My guess is that Norway's learner laws are fairly restrictive.
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RedDog
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| Posted 9/17/2009 7:23 AM (GMT -8) | | ianisme said...
RD, what did you learn on? My guess is that Norway's learner laws are fairly restrictive.
At 16, Ian, I had a 125cc/6.6HP that I quickly changed, illegally, to a "hidden" 175cc and 13HP. I rode cross and in the winter in Norway.
I learnt to slide and fall and wipe out. Then at 18 I rode a Triumph Bonneville/52HP that quickly turned into a souped up Cafe Racer with probably some 60HP (Thruxton Exhaust. Koni exhaust, no air filter, different cam, (later 700 cc Weslake top!), and lightened every where possible, well almost). That Bonnie was a wicked beast for an 18-20 year kid.
I know, a bit from my story above, but I am still sticking to it.
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Casper
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| Posted 9/17/2009 8:00 AM (GMT -8) | | So you ""learnt to slide and fall and wipe out"" on a 175cc bike that probably weighed 200 lbs and had 13 hp. Probably 0-60mph in about a minute, if it would get there at all, and cost a couple hundred bux.
Imagine ""learn(ing) to slide and fall and wipe out"" on a literbike. Well over 100hp. 0-60 in about 2.9 seconds - all in 1st gear. 400-ish pounds. Over $10,000. Big big diff...
As an MSF instructor, I've take a couple hundred people thru that all important "1st hour". The very beginning of skill development. "What does this lever do again?" time. Now I'll agree with you that an awful lot of people could probably do fine on a moonrocket after a little bit of basic skill development. But in that "1st hour" I've seen a large percentage of people make mistakes that would turn out very (VERY!) badly if done on a CBR1000RR.
I don't mean 1 or 2% of raw "never sat on a bike before" newbie-newbs do something like that, I mean 20%. Those are the people we're trying to warn off of the road rockets 'til they've got a little bit of basic skill. What that basic skill level of skill is will depend on the rider,,, but a real newb on a literbike doesn't have good odds.
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Smitty
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| Posted 9/17/2009 10:17 AM (GMT -8) | | |
Saber, we are still trying to help you since your understanding of your '05 Honda 9291000RR is not what most of us riding fast trotting bikes sportbikes is like. Cadd is correct in that you are definately LUGGING the ending & bet you even money that your rear chain is not lubed, to also not set for the correct tension point to ALSO being woren out PLUS the front & rear sprockets are woren as well.
What total milage does the bike have for believe me chains to sprockets to tyres do not last as long as your previous bikes.
Good gosh I go through sprockets chains, to especially tyres like mad almost yearly. LIke I have to get some new tyres on my '03 Honda 954 to also some new sprockets to chains yet just last year I put on new tyres, to year prior it was new chains to new sprockets & my 929 has gone though MORE then the 929 being three yrs older.
Now true this is a 1000cc bike, but anything below 2,500 rpm & the engine is suffering. I drop down to 3,000 & first gear when I am going through a school zone which is 15mph. NOT 2500 nor 3,000rpm. Basically any sportbike has been designed to run at high revs & so often one is shifting down a gear or two so as to have accelleration when about to pass a long RV towning an SUV or an 18 wheeler.
You may think that a 1000cc should have torque at lower revs, BUT you have the wrong bike my friend, you definately have the wrong bike, IF(?) we are getting through to you. I love the torque when in my HIGHER gears with the revs above 3,500rpm or a bit higher for that is when a cog or two down & suddenly I accellerate likie a rocket. Mind you to ride a sportbike you do need the correct experience & know what you are riding. If you do not then you are in for trouble for sure. For sure the bike you have is not made to potato-potato-potato around like on a HD or try to make your V-twin Cruiser act like a HD. Different world for sure.
Remember all the others on the road are crazy & out to kill you.Post Edited (Smitty) : 9/18/2009 1:04:37 AM GMT | | Back to Top | | |
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sabre0
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| Posted 9/17/2009 10:58 AM (GMT -8) | | @RedDog, @jon....thanks guys. I was starting to feel that I made a mistake by asking a simple question though I do understand everyone's concern.
I am 35, not 16, so won't be going around crazy not knowing what to do with a throttle. I am taking it very very slow on this bike. Yes, it is scary fast and needs to be respected but so is a sky dive from 13K feet which I have done...AFTER many practice runs and training...and I am doing just that, just want to make sure I don't ruin the engine in the process because I just love this bike.
Someone in there made a comment about riding in NYC with a 125cc and asking why would I need a 1000cc. Two things: (a)you obviously have not been to CA and (b) by your logic, we should all be puttering around on a 125cc for all our lives unless we have to commute long. Please...
Will take it out this weekend for a proper ride and will try higher revs to see if that solves the knocking issue. Will update you all then.
Thanks!
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Tros
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| Posted 9/17/2009 2:07 PM (GMT -8) | | All other suggestions are worth looking at, but I just figured I'd throw this out.... You're not running 87 octane in the bike, are you? I'm wondering if you just maybe put either cheap gas in, or too low of octane fuel. When is the bike giving you this knocking sound? It is just when your motor is under a load, and not just sitting there at idle, right? If it's making the sound during idle, you've got more than a knocking problem.
I don't know how tech savvy you are, but the first thing I would do is put in higher octane fuel and see how it runs. If that doesn't solve the problem, and you aren't 100% sure of your mechanical ability, it's time to take the bike into a mechanic.
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Smitty
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| Posted 9/17/2009 5:03 PM (GMT -8) | | |
Unless I am badly mistaken Saber your bike will run fine on normal 87 octane. Both my Honda 929 & 954 do. You hike up to 91 octane only you are putting money into the oil refinery people.
Still you have NOT followd the advise of a few others being condition of your chain, wear on the chain, tension of the chain to the sprockets. Also as Cadd pointed out that LUGGING t he engine with a faulty chain is NOT the answer other then to strange sounds. Also how many miles are on that chain to the sprockets?
My '00 Honda 929 is going to have its third set of new sprockets to new chain.
To find out if you have WEAR in the chain simply put the bike in neutral & go to the very back of the wheel & sprockets. Just pull on the most reverse part of the chain & if it shows gap THEN you chain to sprockets need to be replaced immediately.
Personally I cannot see how someone can ride around very easily on a Honda CBR1000RR. Remember some of us have been around longer then you assumed for this is my 64th year while that also includes 42 years of basically dirt comp plus being a m/c mechanic at several shops.
Also for a Cdn m/c mag I was often testing bikes & that is not a 15 minute ride or 30 minutes, but basically till around 3,000 miles which meant that I also did all the servicing on the bike during those weeks to a month.
Remember all the others on the road are crazy & out to kill you.Post Edited (Smitty) : 10/26/2009 6:39:58 PM GMT | | Back to Top | | |
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skyhawk04kilo
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| Posted 9/17/2009 6:32 PM (GMT -8) | | As Smitty says, it's important to isolate where the noise is coming from. It could be in the engine, trans, final drive (chain), engine mounts, or anything else. This is a good opportunity to learn about your bike by working on it yourself. If you're not the mechanical type, you may want to have a mechanic look at it.
I personally find working on my bike to be almost as much fun as riding it. I know I'm going to screw things up in the beginning but that's how you learn. I've already learned a whole bunch. You'll be much more confident in the bike if you know how the various pieces work together to make it move, and you'll also appreciate it more because you'll understand what is going on.
The point is, just play a little. Put the bike in neutral and roll it slowly down the driveway, see if you can reproduce the knock with the engine off. Try other things. Have fun figuring it out!
Oh yeah, and if you do decide to play with the bike, get yourself a good manual from a company like Haynes. There are others too, but the names slip my mind right now. | | Back to Top | | |
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sabre0
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| Posted 9/18/2009 10:17 AM (GMT -8) | | So yesterday I took the bike out and used some extra revs between shifting and it seemed to work. I did not hear any knocking and engine transitioned smoothly from 1 to 2 to 3 (top speed 45mph). Then I saw a cop, slowed down and turned back :)
I have not even filled up the bike since buying it as it came with a full tank and I have hardly driven 50-60 miles on it. The previous owner took real good care of the bike and I highly doubt he used 87 or 89 in it but will check with him. I intend to only use 91 in it too. Forgot to check the chain yesterday since the bike seemed to work fine. Will do so today.
@skyhawk - I would actually love to start working on the bike but this one is in pristine condition so dont want to mess around with it too much right now, plus the knocking was my mistake, I still think. I will still try a few maneuvers you mentioned and will inform if I am able to regenerate the knocking sound.
For now, things are sounding sweet...thanks all,
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skyhawk04kilo
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| Posted 9/18/2009 11:08 AM (GMT -8) | | Glad to hear you've got it figured out.
Start small with the maintenance. Just start with oil changes, chain adjustments, etc. then work up to more intense stuff. The Haynes manual I have is helpful in that it gauges each item in the book on a 5-level difficulty scale. So things like oil changes are 1/5 on the scale and rebuilding your engine is 5/5. Kind of nice cause it helps you decide if you want to tackle something that might be pretty involved. | | Back to Top | | |
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ianisme
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| Posted 9/18/2009 11:26 AM (GMT -8) | | Don't use 91 octane. That is the wrong fuel for the bike and you are not doing it any favours by using it. It is built for 87 and it will run better with it.
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sabre0
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| Posted 9/19/2009 2:45 AM (GMT -8) | | @ianisme - honda cbr1000rr 2005 handbook says:
premium unleaded gasoline, pump octane number 91 or higher | | Back to Top | | |
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