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|  louemc Registered Member

       Date Joined Mar 2003 Total Posts : 15451 | Posted 10/15/2009 11:26 AM (GMT -8) |   |
martinjmpr said...
Casper said...If you think a V-rod looks like a Harley,,, well...
Did you see my pictures from Sturgis?
This was at the gas station near Badlands National Park. When he pulled in I was sure it was just a run-of-the mill HD Road glide (big, fixed-fairing touring bike with dual headlights.) Then I looked at it sideways:
Yes, it's a V-rod. I don't know the story but it looks to me like the Road Glide fairing and bags were grafted onto the V-rod frame.
My point being: HD could make the V-rod look like a "Harley" if they wanted to, and it would certainly be less work to do so than trying to make a Buell look like one.
Oh Good Lord, Casper didn't say look like a Harley Bagger. You don't know why bikes are made in different designs do You?
As long as it has an engine (and forget the different engine layouts) and Wheels (forget the reason for the different types of wheels) and something of a chassis (forget the reason for the different types of chassis) They are all just motorcycles that come in different colors, right?
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 |  iman501 Registered Member

       Date Joined Sep 2008 Total Posts : 227 | Posted 10/15/2009 11:39 AM (GMT -8) |   | | | |
  |  louemc Registered Member

       Date Joined Mar 2003 Total Posts : 15451 | Posted 10/15/2009 12:25 PM (GMT -8) |   | | | |
 |  skyhawk04kilo Registered Member
        Date Joined Jun 2009 Total Posts : 180 | Posted 10/15/2009 12:57 PM (GMT -8) |   | CaddmannQ said...The idiots running this country (and its manufacturing businesses) have no idea what's really important. That's why they're all going broke. Back when engineers ran these companies they thrived and it was the Golden Age of Motoring. Now Accountants and Lawyers run them and they suck at it. CLEARLY they suck at it. Why? Engineers are driven to build and create! Accountants and lawyers are driven to figure loopholes, cover their asses, and calculate the odds. If Henry Ford or Soichiro Honda had worried about calculating the odds, we'd still be riding horses. I may not be a Buell owner, but I am a huge fan of what they represent: The fact that Americans can still be winners! We're being sold out by a bunch of monied ^%$#*&^@@'s who dont give a crap about the USA. I gotta stop now before I blow a gasket! I'm so mad! 
I'll be graduating in December with a degree in Accountancy and I have yet to take a class called "figuring loopholes" or "covering your ass". I have, however, had a class about "calculating the odds", it was called statistics. But you're right, statistics is all just fancy mumbo-jumbo made up by bigwigs to rob America. We don't need to know how to calculate odds when making a business decision, we should just do whatever seems right in our gut. That whole concept of risk is totally inconsequential. If only people had paid less attention to risk, we wouldn't be dealing with the sub-prime-mortgage-induced economic crisis right now...
It's weird that you wrote this post today, I just walked in the door from my management class. We learned about Pan-Am, and the reason it went out of business. It had a bunch of business segments, the airline, a hotel chain, and a building in NY that apparently made money somehow. The airline was crapping out, so Pan-Am sold off the building in NY and the hotel to try to revitalize the dying airline, instead of selling the airline to invest more in the successful hotel chain. Look what happened! Pan-Am is no more, but Inter-Continental Hotels lives on. This is just one example (there are thousands of others) of a huge company going bankrupt because it didn't know when to cut its losses on a business segment. When a company recognizes a segment of its business is dying, it's a really horrible idea to keep funneling money into it. Harley absolutely made the right decision here. If they didn't, the losses could keep growing and eventually take down all of Harley. Imagine how pissed you'd be then!
If you really believed what you said about Buell being a winner, you would have gone out and bought a Buell. But you didn't, because you're not about to spend $10 grand on a bike just to prove a point about how much you support a company that represents America. No one else bought Buells either, so now it goes away. That's how companies and economies work on the most basic level. If you think Buell should stick around and continue to operate at a loss, why don't you buy it?
Buell represents the exact opposite of America being a winner. It represents Americans' failure to compete with Japanese and European competition. The demise of Buell will hopefully lead to another American sport bike manufacturer that will make a better bike, one that will actually compete with the other manufacturers' bikes both on the track and at the dealerships. 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200S | | Back to Top | | |
 |  CaddmannQ Random Moto-geek

       Date Joined Jul 2003 Total Posts : 17145 | Posted 10/15/2009 12:59 PM (GMT -8) |   | Hey, maybe if i could buy that H-D Turbo-V-Rod BAGGER for any reasonable price, I would have one. Sports bike guys wouldn't get it. Big-Twin guys wouldn't get it. But I get it bigtime.
As for the "market" ruling all, please remember that there are such things as "market makers". People buy all kinds of stuff whether it makes sense or not, and half of it is because they're lead by the nose.
Buell tried to do the impossible, and they really did it IMO. Convincing people that it was worthwhile? Well the big market makers flopped on that one, eh?
OTOH, they sold lots of boots, hats, jackets and panties made in China. That makes them a success in the eyes of bean-counters.
To engineers and riders it means zip.
"When in doubt, ride." Cadd................................Clovis CA 2004 Nomad 1500............"Baggins" caddmannq at yahoo dot com
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 |  iman501 Registered Member

       Date Joined Sep 2008 Total Posts : 227 | Posted 10/15/2009 1:32 PM (GMT -8) |   | I know not many people bought buell bikes, just b/c 1. they arent the most popular 2. they dont seem like they would be all to great of a bike. with low hp for the cc size, overall they are little bikes. 3. some people think they look funny 4. americans alwaysn want the biggest baddest crotch rocket (which buell wasnt) any 600cc jap bike would outrun a buell
however i havent really heard of many people who own a buell not likeing it. if you go to badweatherbikers.com, everybody there is crazy about their buells, whether its an xb sport bike, ulysses, blast, or cyclone or w/e. they all love them, and have praised erik buell and his team.
You say that people didnt buy their bikes so then they had to go out of buisiness, well people did buy there bikes, it wasnt a huge numer for sales, but then again, buell wasnt a huge company either. I am currious to see the ratio #'s of sales from buell bikes that were made, to the # of bikes made by harley....
Persoanlly i think that Harley should have kept buell. I think it draws younger people into harley dealers b/c majority of young guys like sport bikes, and harley just doesnt have sport bikes (the v-rod doesnt count IMO). I know that when i took my buddy kyle into a harley dealer for the first time, he was pretty shocked that there are sport bikes at a harley shop, and from then on fell in love w/ buells, much like i did. Now that the only bikes at the harley shops are strickly cruisers and other standards like that newer xr1200 i think sales will just keep on going down, b/c all harleys are expensive, and the only people who will be buying them, are going to most likely be people who have been saving $$$ for a bike, older guys who are in their 40's with money who wont ride them but a few times a year, or the other occasional random purchases. With the economy the way it is, not to many people are able to go out and buy a 10-20k bike. Buell offered a a realiable bike for under 10k, with the harleys warranty, some good aftermarket parts, and they had a few dif types of bikes (not as many as harley) but buell is a way smaller co. than harley is, so that makes sence to me bikes dont leak oil, they mark their territory | | Back to Top | | |
  |  skyhawk04kilo Registered Member
        Date Joined Jun 2009 Total Posts : 180 | Posted 10/15/2009 2:42 PM (GMT -8) |   | sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/793952/000119312509031412/d10k.htm
Harley's annual report from last year. Go to page 5.
For 651cc+ motorcycles in the US in 2008:
New motorcycles registered: 479,800 Harleys registered: 218,200 Buells registered: 4,000
Harley's percentage of US market share: 45.5% Buell's percentage of US market share: 0.8%
Worldwide, Harley shipped over 300,000 Harleys and only 13,000 Buells in 2008.
I don't care how great your motorcycle is, you have to actually sell it! Talking about how great the bike is, and how you think it's really innovative and imaginative, is totally meaningless. How come no one bought the bikes?
Let's be realistic, Harley's success lies mainly in the fact that its customer base is patriotic. Why else would people be so ready to spend more money for a bike that is arguably not as good as the Japanese bikes? Harley has done an incredible job of finding a niche in the market and positioning themselves effectively. But Buells are not Harleys, and sport bike riders are vastly different than Harley riders. They are young men who don't care about buying American. They want something that goes fast. Harley needed to position the Buell brand to compete with the Japanese bikes. It didn't, it tried to go after a barely-existent market segment. Look at the sales numbers. I don't have numbers for the big 4 Japanese in the sport bike segment, but you can bet your ass they're waaaaay higher than Buell's numbers. Maybe if Buell made a bike to compete with the Japanese bikes it might still be around! 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200S | | Back to Top | | |
 |  iman501 Registered Member

       Date Joined Sep 2008 Total Posts : 227 | Posted 10/15/2009 3:01 PM (GMT -8) |   | buell has the 1125, it competes with the jap bikes, yea it may b a dif class that 600 or 750 or w/e, but its still fast and sporty.
when it all boils down, i think that buell should have been kept on IMO, just b/c they didnt sell a lot of them, doesnt make them unwanted, or bad bikes. i think that if buell woulda done more with advertising from the start, they may have sold more, i've seen harley comercials, kawasaki, honda, and every other big brand on tv and the radio, yet i havent seen any buell adds other than on youtube. i bet if more people knew about buell, and were aware of it, they may have sold more bikes. and in the more recent years, buell has been trying to compete with the jap bikes more and more, when 2003 hit, they redesigned their line-up, and improved many aspects of their motorcycles
ps. did harley try and sell buell and MV off at all?, or did they just shut them down?
pss. i know some people dont care that buell was shut down, but it was sad to hear for me, and i got on harleys web-site to see if i could send them an email, and believe it or not, they arent taking any emails right now (wonder why that is?...) bikes dont leak oil, they mark their territory | | Back to Top | | |
  |  CaddmannQ Random Moto-geek

       Date Joined Jul 2003 Total Posts : 17145 | Posted 10/15/2009 4:01 PM (GMT -8) |   |
skyhawk04kilo said...
I'll be graduating in December with a degree in Accountancy and I have yet to take a class called "figuring loopholes" or "covering your ass". I have, however, had a class about "calculating the odds", it was called statistics. But you're right, statistics is all just fancy mumbo-jumbo made up by bigwigs to rob America. We don't need to know how to calculate odds when making a business decision, we should just do whatever seems right in our gut. That whole concept of risk is totally inconsequential. If only people had paid less attention to risk, we wouldn't be dealing with the sub-prime-mortgage-induced economic crisis right now...
It's weird that you wrote this post today, I just walked in the door from my management class. We learned about Pan-Am, and the reason it went out of business. It had a bunch of business segments, the airline, a hotel chain, and a building in NY that apparently made money somehow. The airline was crapping out, so Pan-Am sold off the building in NY and the hotel to try to revitalize the dying airline, instead of selling the airline to invest more in the successful hotel chain. Look what happened! Pan-Am is no more, but Inter-Continental Hotels lives on. This is just one example (there are thousands of others) of a huge company going bankrupt because it didn't know when to cut its losses on a business segment. When a company recognizes a segment of its business is dying, it's a really horrible idea to keep funneling money into it. Harley absolutely made the right decision here. If they didn't, the losses could keep growing and eventually take down all of Harley. Imagine how pissed you'd be then!
If you really believed what you said about Buell being a winner, you would have gone out and bought a Buell. But you didn't, because you're not about to spend $10 grand on a bike just to prove a point about how much you support a company that represents America. No one else bought Buells either, so now it goes away. That's how companies and economies work on the most basic level. If you think Buell should stick around and continue to operate at a loss, why don't you buy it?
Buell represents the exact opposite of America being a winner. It represents Americans' failure to compete with Japanese and European competition. The demise of Buell will hopefully lead to another American sport bike manufacturer that will make a better bike, one that will actually compete with the other manufacturers' bikes both on the track and at the dealerships.
There's what they tell you in school and then there's what really happens in life.
When you graduate, you'll get a job, and what you'll probably be doing there is risk management: covering asses and finding loopholes. It just won't be your ass or your loopholes. That's what wealthy people pay accountants to do. Sure you'll use stastics to do it. You'll use whatever you can muster. Good luck.
IMO PanAm died because of political reasons. Sure there may have been some missmanagement by the beancounters too, but PanAm became what it was at its peak partly because of political support. When it lost that, it took a tumble it never recovered from.
I've actually wanted to buy a couple more bikes, but I'm probably too old for a Buell, I don't bend in that direction well anymore. Also the econcomy has hit me too, though not too badly. I still managed to buy a new truck, keep my bike fixed up, pay my mortgage and all that.
That's largely because engineers do risk assessment too. We cover our asses. I didn't take on more debt than I though prudent and my debt to earnings is far, far better than the national average. My credit card balance is zero. My house is worth over twice what I owe on it after only 7 years. My truck is worth twice what I owe on it too, after only one year of payments. The house and truck are my only debts, and though I could take on more easily, it wouldn't be prudent. I don't mean this to sound like bragging. I just want to express that engineers are prudent by nature. Brokers and bankers and such should be, but clearly they have not been. They've tossed middle class America under the bus with their creative investment schemes.
People talk about the "Free Market" but IMO it never was and never will be free of underhanded influences.
I don't know how old you were back when Harley was the beneficiary of that type of influence, but some 30 years or so ago (IIRC) they convinced American politicians to do exactly what foreign companies do on their home turf: place large import fees on competing foreign motorcycles. The US government isn't supposed to engage in that kind of protectionism. (They're not supposed to bail out GM either.) But foreign governments do it routinely. there's that "free market". Pure lip service. Harley must be out of political favor now, because I don't see this happening now when HD (and Buell) could most use it.
"When in doubt, ride." Cadd................................Clovis CA 2004 Nomad 1500............"Baggins" caddmannq at yahoo dot com
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 |  Ed__S Registered Member

       Date Joined Oct 2004 Total Posts : 519 | Posted 10/15/2009 4:09 PM (GMT -8) |   |
skyhawk04kilo said...
CaddmannQ said...The idiots running this country (and its manufacturing businesses) have no idea what's really important. That's why they're all going broke. Back when engineers ran these companies they thrived and it was the Golden Age of Motoring. Now Accountants and Lawyers run them and they suck at it. CLEARLY they suck at it. Why? Engineers are driven to build and create! Accountants and lawyers are driven to figure loopholes, cover their asses, and calculate the odds. If Henry Ford or Soichiro Honda had worried about calculating the odds, we'd still be riding horses. I may not be a Buell owner, but I am a huge fan of what they represent: The fact that Americans can still be winners! We're being sold out by a bunch of monied ^%$#*&^@@'s who dont give a crap about the USA. I gotta stop now before I blow a gasket! I'm so mad!  I'll be graduating in December with a degree in Accountancy and I have yet to take a class called "figuring loopholes" or "covering your ass". I have, however, had a class about "calculating the odds", it was called statistics. But you're right, statistics is all just fancy mumbo-jumbo made up by bigwigs to rob America. We don't need to know how to calculate odds when making a business decision, we should just do whatever seems right in our gut. That whole concept of risk is totally inconsequential. If only people had paid less attention to risk, we wouldn't be dealing with the sub-prime-mortgage-induced economic crisis right now... It's weird that you wrote this post today, I just walked in the door from my management class. We learned about Pan-Am, and the reason it went out of business. It had a bunch of business segments, the airline, a hotel chain, and a building in NY that apparently made money somehow. The airline was crapping out, so Pan-Am sold off the building in NY and the hotel to try to revitalize the dying airline, instead of selling the airline to invest more in the successful hotel chain. Look what happened! Pan-Am is no more, but Inter-Continental Hotels lives on. This is just one example (there are thousands of others) of a huge company going bankrupt because it didn't know when to cut its losses on a business segment. When a company recognizes a segment of its business is dying, it's a really horrible idea to keep funneling money into it. Harley absolutely made the right decision here. If they didn't, the losses could keep growing and eventually take down all of Harley. Imagine how pissed you'd be then! If you really believed what you said about Buell being a winner, you would have gone out and bought a Buell. But you didn't, because you're not about to spend $10 grand on a bike just to prove a point about how much you support a company that represents America. No one else bought Buells either, so now it goes away. That's how companies and economies work on the most basic level. If you think Buell should stick around and continue to operate at a loss, why don't you buy it? Buell represents the exact opposite of America being a winner. It represents Americans' failure to compete with Japanese and European competition. The demise of Buell will hopefully lead to another American sport bike manufacturer that will make a better bike, one that will actually compete with the other manufacturers' bikes both on the track and at the dealerships.
Seems to me that your example of Pan-Am & the hotel chain just reinforces what Cadd said. To an accountant, selling the profitable hotel chain was dead wrong - but to the person with a passion for the AIRLINE, selling off anything & everything else would have been the only possible choice if it funded one more roll-of-the-dice to get the airline going again. From an accounting point of view, it was the wrong thing to do, and in that case it really was - BUT WHAT IF THE DICE ROLL HAD WORKED???
In the case of Buell, it sounds like Hardley has confiscated the dice before the last few rolls were tossed, which means they've adopted the "bean-counter" outlook. Seems to me they'd have been better served to change the marketing approach & go for exposure somewhere OTHER than HD dealers.
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 |  ianisme Typical Bloody Brit!

       Date Joined Mar 2003 Total Posts : 8110 | Posted 10/15/2009 4:41 PM (GMT -8) |   | Harley always treated Buell like the unwanted child. Ever been in a HD dealership where Buells were given pride of place? No, me neither. They are usually stuck at the back, unwanted and unloved by the HD crowd. I think that is a real pity because Buell deserved better. Just one more reason why HD suck. www.buell.com/en_us/ Peekamoo!
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 |  jon Registered Member
        Date Joined Aug 2004 Total Posts : 4569 | Posted 10/15/2009 5:41 PM (GMT -8) |   | | wow, news to me. although i'm not interested in any buell at this point because i can pay less for other bikes that offer more to me, it's a sad day indeed. | | Back to Top | | |
   |  slopoke Registered Member
        Date Joined Jun 2009 Total Posts : 36 | Posted 10/15/2009 6:13 PM (GMT -8) |   | |
This isnt unusual for harley, they have tried different products before, scooters, small bikes, motorhomes, golf carts, snowmobiles etc and for one reason or another they do not stick around. Its like the bar and shield logo only works for aircooled vtwins, panties and t shirts, that or they are unwilling to see anything thru rough times which seems to be a popular trend these days. "never mind the people who have invested parts of there lives bolting these things togeather and the people who bought them, they havnt made a profit in six months and dont see a profit for the next six so screw it shut the place down or we can go really cheap and farm it off to china". They obviously didnt try to promote the buell brand, any trip to one of there dealerships will make that obvious. I had a feeling when harley bought controling intrest in buell that it would end like this.
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 |  skyhawk04kilo Registered Member
        Date Joined Jun 2009 Total Posts : 180 | Posted 10/15/2009 6:15 PM (GMT -8) |   | Ed__S said...skyhawk04kilo said...CaddmannQ said...The idiots running this country (and its manufacturing businesses) have no idea what's really important. That's why they're all going broke. Back when engineers ran these companies they thrived and it was the Golden Age of Motoring. Now Accountants and Lawyers run them and they suck at it. CLEARLY they suck at it. Why? Engineers are driven to build and create! Accountants and lawyers are driven to figure loopholes, cover their asses, and calculate the odds. If Henry Ford or Soichiro Honda had worried about calculating the odds, we'd still be riding horses. I may not be a Buell owner, but I am a huge fan of what they represent: The fact that Americans can still be winners! We're being sold out by a bunch of monied ^%$#*&^@@'s who dont give a crap about the USA. I gotta stop now before I blow a gasket! I'm so mad!  I'll be graduating in December with a degree in Accountancy and I have yet to take a class called "figuring loopholes" or "covering your ass". I have, however, had a class about "calculating the odds", it was called statistics. But you're right, statistics is all just fancy mumbo-jumbo made up by bigwigs to rob America. We don't need to know how to calculate odds when making a business decision, we should just do whatever seems right in our gut. That whole concept of risk is totally inconsequential. If only people had paid less attention to risk, we wouldn't be dealing with the sub-prime-mortgage-induced economic crisis right now... It's weird that you wrote this post today, I just walked in the door from my management class. We learned about Pan-Am, and the reason it went out of business. It had a bunch of business segments, the airline, a hotel chain, and a building in NY that apparently made money somehow. The airline was crapping out, so Pan-Am sold off the building in NY and the hotel to try to revitalize the dying airline, instead of selling the airline to invest more in the successful hotel chain. Look what happened! Pan-Am is no more, but Inter-Continental Hotels lives on. This is just one example (there are thousands of others) of a huge company going bankrupt because it didn't know when to cut its losses on a business segment. When a company recognizes a segment of its business is dying, it's a really horrible idea to keep funneling money into it. Harley absolutely made the right decision here. If they didn't, the losses could keep growing and eventually take down all of Harley. Imagine how pissed you'd be then! If you really believed what you said about Buell being a winner, you would have gone out and bought a Buell. But you didn't, because you're not about to spend $10 grand on a bike just to prove a point about how much you support a company that represents America. No one else bought Buells either, so now it goes away. That's how companies and economies work on the most basic level. If you think Buell should stick around and continue to operate at a loss, why don't you buy it? Buell represents the exact opposite of America being a winner. It represents Americans' failure to compete with Japanese and European competition. The demise of Buell will hopefully lead to another American sport bike manufacturer that will make a better bike, one that will actually compete with the other manufacturers' bikes both on the track and at the dealerships. Seems to me that your example of Pan-Am & the hotel chain just reinforces what Cadd said. To an accountant, selling the profitable hotel chain was dead wrong - but to the person with a passion for the AIRLINE, selling off anything & everything else would have been the only possible choice if it funded one more roll-of-the-dice to get the airline going again. From an accounting point of view, it was the wrong thing to do, and in that case it really was - BUT WHAT IF THE DICE ROLL HAD WORKED??? In the case of Buell, it sounds like Hardley has confiscated the dice before the last few rolls were tossed, which means they've adopted the "bean-counter" outlook. Seems to me they'd have been better served to change the marketing approach & go for exposure somewhere OTHER than HD dealers.
If the dice roll had worked with Pan-Am, they would have no hotel chain and an airline that was not bankrupt. But it's not like they sold the hotel to fund this awesome expansion that had the potential to turn Pan-Am into something it never could be before. All they were trying to do was keep the damned thing from going under. Why bother saving the airline if it clearly has problems? No, sell the airline, keep the hotel. Use the proceeds from the old airline to start a new airline with a different approach from the previous one. Stay in the airline business if you really want to, but try something new, because the old business obviously isn't working. Instead of doing that, the management ended up out on the street, because the whole deal folded. Same concept with Buell. It isn't working, why waste time and money watching it flounder for 10 years. Cut it loose, get Harley back on track, then start a new (better) sportbike venture when things are calmer.
You and Cadd are talking like the managers are running their own business. Harley is a public company, and the management has a responsibility to the shareholders to keep the business going. If you and Cadd want Buell to continue operating at a loss, why don't you two buy it? It's easy to say that the company *should* keep making bikes when it's someone else paying for them. The management can't just start taking ridiculous chances (like selling off all the profitable parts of the business to try to save the one part that's fading quickly) on the off chance that that part of the company *might* survive (note I said survive, not grow). They can't just gamble with the shareholders' money.
I get what you guys are saying, it's a shame that Buell is going under. But you can't seriously believe that dumping money into it will make it work... they need a totally new approach. 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200SPost Edited (skyhawk04kilo) : 10/16/2009 2:22:33 AM GMT | | Back to Top | | |
  |  skyhawk04kilo Registered Member
        Date Joined Jun 2009 Total Posts : 180 | Posted 10/15/2009 8:35 PM (GMT -8) |   | | | |
 |  GeoffG Harley Ninja!

       Date Joined Jun 2003 Total Posts : 9196 | Posted 10/15/2009 8:51 PM (GMT -8) |   | Smitty said... Guess GeoffG will feel the blow for he loved his Buel & proved it was an ideal bike for him to cover a maze of miles. Actually, Smitty, I still love my Buell--and now, there's no way I'd sell it (it's become an instant classic...).
It's true, the main problem that Buell has faced is that people weren't buying. In North America anyways, I assume the reason has to do with the negative image so many potential buyers might have of Buell, due to it's relationship with H-D. Keep in mind, the reason H-D decided to buy into Buell in the first place was because every bike Buell built in his early years sold. Skyhawk's right, that's what gets an executive's attention.
I'm shocked and dismayed that H-D decided to pull the plug on Buell like this (they didn't even try to sell the brand AFAIK), but remember...had H-D not bought into Buell when they did, this day might likely have come years ago, and the XB line would probably never have been produced. And historically, this has happened to many of the great brands (think of Crocker or Vincent).
But I do agree with Cadd, these are the kinds of decisions made by a company that is now completely ruled by their bottom line, a company which no longer remembers why their founders started them. As I understand it, H-D has a new CEO who doesn't even ride a motorcycle... | | Back to Top | | |
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