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   Posted 10/28/2009 10:42 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I saw this on a Honda VTX site, and was wondering what y'all thought. The post was in regards to someone finding rust around the fittings for fuel and vent hoses on a bike that's only a few years old. The thought was that with increased alcohol content in gas, which can cause any water in the tank to settle to the bottom, that it's a good idea to periodically ride in the reserve position on the fuel valve, to draw gas at the bottom of the tank and burn it through, along with any water that's trapped at the bottom.
 
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   Posted 10/28/2009 11:22 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Not to me it doesn't. Water going through the carb via the air intake makes a bike run well (up to a point). Water getting into a carb via the float chamber is bad news. And a bike that has a rusty tank and has water in the gas is a bike that needs some serious attention.


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   Posted 10/28/2009 11:31 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Agree with Richard for in my mind any rust in a petrol tank, is probably spread father then the owner's eye can see.


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   Posted 10/28/2009 1:16 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It's a great idea if the tank is clean, not so good if it's already funky, for the reasons above. I've seen a couple of bikes that had gunk in the tank up to the run outlet, so they would run out of gas and die at that point, putting it on reserve did nothing. In both cases it took a new tank to correct the problem, when the stuff was cleaned out there were holes in them. When you fuel up, run out a gallon or so on reserve and it will keep the bottom of the tank cleaned out, just don't forget to switch it back.


 

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   Posted 10/29/2009 10:01 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

This is only a sub, but it could help & in some of our dirt comp bikes to even street irons in the late 40s to early 50s.  So many of us obtained a clear plastic filter that would go on the fuel line after the on/off switch.  Also they sometimes showed the crap & could be flushed out with ease. 

You will find present shops that have snowmobiles, to ATVs will have the same & sometime automotive shops.


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   Posted 10/30/2009 6:11 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think all old bikes probably have rust inside the tank. My 81 Honda started flooding with gas running on the floor of the garage because I think some rust wouldn't let the needle seat in a carb. It's been sitting since then, but the time is near to clean the carbs and get it back on the road. I will put a filter in the fuel line to prevent this from happening again.

Installing a fuel filter is the first thing i did to my Kawasaki after buying it last spring. It had been sitting in a barn in Wisconsin with only 1,058 miles on the odometer.


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   Posted 11/2/2009 8:08 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
When you consider the limited amount of fuel most bikes carry, and the fact that the fuel/water in the tank are not exclusively separate volumes, and that in most bike fuel tanks the standard fuel pickup tube in the tank is not much higher than the reserve pickup tube, its really a moot point. The "reserve" in a cycle fuel tank is not a separate section of the tank, nor is it a lower/lowest section of the tank. The reserve pickup tube is simply a lower level in the tank than the standard pickup tube. As a bikes bounces down the road, and as it leans through turns, the gas and water are mixed to a point.

When the bike is shut down and stationary, then the heavier water in the gas will settle to the lowest point, which is likely lower than the reserve pickup tube level anyway. If it weren't, then you may have starting problems when that water gets into the carb or fuel injection system. Yamaha proved that on the 500cc Vision, which had deep pointed sections on the lowest portion of the fuel tank. Rusted fuel tanks and fuel contamination are common issues on the Vision. Most riders park their bike on the sidestand, which is usually opposite the fuel valve side. That means, IF the fuel tank doesn't have a deep/tall tunnel, that water in the tank is probably collected on the left side of the fuel tank. Of the fuel tanks you have seen rusted through, how many have you seen rusted through on the fuel valve side of the tank?

Probably a better practice is to run a bottle of HEET through the fuel tank about once per season. Consider too that most cycles spend most of their time sitting and only run once a week, a few times a month, so they are more likely to have fuel/water issues. If you regularly ride your bike, three to seven times a week, and frequently pour fresh fuel into the tank, there really is no water issue. That's yet another reason to ride your bike more often. More riding, more miles, is far better for a bike than letting it sit unused for most of the time.


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   Posted 11/2/2009 3:27 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I seem to remember that the additive that supposedly removes water in gas is mostly alcohol. So, with most gasoline at 10% ethanol, it should absorb the water in the gas and shouldn't be a problem. Right!

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   Posted 11/2/2009 4:19 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Andy VH said...
When you consider the limited amount of fuel most bikes carry, and the fact that the fuel/water in the tank are not exclusively separate volumes, and that in most bike fuel tanks the standard fuel pickup tube in the tank is not much higher than the reserve pickup tube, its really a moot point. The "reserve" in a cycle fuel tank is not a separate section of the tank, nor is it a lower/lowest section of the tank. The reserve pickup tube is simply a lower level in the tank than the standard pickup tube. As a bikes bounces down the road, and as it leans through turns, the gas and water are mixed to a point.

When the bike is shut down and stationary, then the heavier water in the gas will settle to the lowest point, which is likely lower than the reserve pickup tube level anyway. If it weren't, then you may have starting problems when that water gets into the carb or fuel injection system. Yamaha proved that on the 500cc Vision, which had deep pointed sections on the lowest portion of the fuel tank. Rusted fuel tanks and fuel contamination are common issues on the Vision. Most riders park their bike on the sidestand, which is usually opposite the fuel valve side. That means, IF the fuel tank doesn't have a deep/tall tunnel, that water in the tank is probably collected on the left side of the fuel tank. Of the fuel tanks you have seen rusted through, how many have you seen rusted through on the fuel valve side of the tank?

Probably a better practice is to run a bottle of HEET through the fuel tank about once per season. Consider too that most cycles spend most of their time sitting and only run once a week, a few times a month, so they are more likely to have fuel/water issues. If you regularly ride your bike, three to seven times a week, and frequently pour fresh fuel into the tank, there really is no water issue. That's yet another reason to ride your bike more often. More riding, more miles, is far better for a bike than letting it sit unused for most of the time.

A lightly used bike can build up a lot of water in the bottom of the tank, and the problem is greatly increased by the ethanol in the fuel. True, the gas and water will mix some, but by the same token they also separate rather rapidly (I think water is 1/3 heavier than gas, something like that). Some motorcycles have petcock tubes that are several inches difference in length between run and reserve, so if you never run on reserve then you're allowing that portion of the tank to hold a mixture of water, gas, particulates, varnish, and whatever else got put into the tank, with the percentage of gasoline decreasing every minute, due to the gasoline being the lightest part of the mix. It's why I completely drain my tank once a year or so by removing the petcock or siphoning. I'm always amazed at the crap that comes out.
 
I would say the majority of bikes I've had dealings with had the petcock on the left, sidestand side. By far. Both of the bikes I mentioned had holes rusted, and the heaviest accumulation of gunk, on that side. One of them literally had a solid mass of stuff, almost like tar, about 2 inches deep in the tank, it was the only thing keeping it from leaking.


 

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   Posted 11/2/2009 9:49 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Opps, my mistake. For some reason I was thinking of my ice bike, which is an 81 Suzuki GN400. Its one of few bikes that have the fuel petcock on the right side of the tank.

So,...why is the petcock on the left side of the tank? Easy! When you're riding, and say you need to switch the fuel valve from ON to RESERVE. With the fuel valve on the left its easy to do with your clutch hand, while you maintain bike speed with your throttle hand.


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   Posted 11/3/2009 4:04 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Smitty was talking about that a couple of weeks ago, lots of newer bikes don't have a reserve setting, just an idiot light to tell you you're getting low. I think I'm gonna see about changing mine out to the old style, this new stuff makes me nervous.


 

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