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bmadson
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Posted 9/25/2007 3:19 PM (GMT -8)

Honda has revealed some exciting prototypes for the upcoming Tokyo Motorcycle Show, including a six-cylinder naked dubbed the EVO6 and some retro-styled CB1100s. Check out MotorcycleUSA's Hondas Wild Concepts for Tokyo Show

Billyfrank
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Posted 9/25/2007 6:50 PM (GMT -8)

The evo can go, but I would definately ride either one of the cb's with a preferance towards the F.

thanks,

billy

masbuell
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Posted 9/25/2007 7:38 PM (GMT -8)

Billyfrank said...
The evo can go, but I would definately ride either one of the cb's with a preferance towards the F.

thanks,

billy

I bet the EVO can go!

I think I saw those things going through the woods on one of the Star Wars episodes with little hairy creature atop, no? I'd hop on one of those things and hold on. That's cool. I would sure ride the others too. I rode a CB1100F in the early 80's, somewhat reminiscent. I always liked that bike and the FJ100 Yamaha from then.

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jimmihaffa
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Posted 9/26/2007 7:57 AM (GMT -8)

Love the CB1100R with the F a close second. I think both could be built at a nice little price point. Not really interested in the EVO6 if its going to be another out of reach Rune special.

louemc
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Posted 9/26/2007 12:28 PM (GMT -8)

With any luck the tradition of the concept bike not seeing a showroom floor will continue.

The Nostalgic's charm was, back then, no one knew any better.

The EVO6 will smoke a tire for the reason a bike round profile tire will only hook up a patch the size of the palm of your hand. Not enough hook up to get a porky in motion. If spinning a rear tire is appealing, anyone with a front brake and a little coordination can pull that one off.

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Drunkula
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Posted 9/26/2007 2:56 PM (GMT -8)

I'm really diggin' that CB1100R. Would love to see one in person!

ro7939
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Posted 9/27/2007 8:48 PM (GMT -8)

Ditto no interest in 800 lb eVO6. But I love both CB1100s, the R & F. Would probably be very happy w/ the F; more functional, more comfortable, etc, better fit for my large frame. Style wise it has some of the CB750K's looks, esp side view & esp the fuel tank shape. It is pretty hard to beat the look of the original CB750K models (first year '69 till the SS models arrived '75).

Either CB performance would obviously suck any current retro Duck or Triumph off the road, & should cost less too. I thought I was done w/ high-powered bikes but the CB1100F would probably change my mind.

EdbearNZ
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Posted 9/27/2007 10:51 PM (GMT -8)

Billyfrank said...
The evo can go, but I would definately ride either one of the cb's with a preferance towards the F.

thanks,

billy

Wot he said! Though while not everyone will like the Evo, I applaud the manufacturers' for having the spunk to make outrageous bikes. Shows they're not all staid and boring! More power to them! roll

They say you're only young once! I'm trying to make it last...

dedwards
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Posted 10/8/2007 5:32 PM (GMT -8)

I'm with the crowd. The EVO is kind of cool looking, but it would cost too much and is really to garish (sp?) for me to actually ride. I had 2 1100Fs in the '80s (1 red, 1 blue) and think they looked more aggressive than the concept F. The new one is kind of cool but a little too tame--particularly in the rear. The R, on the other hand, looks like the real deal. If it was relatively comfortable for a 6 foot 50 year old, I'd be really interested. Especially with effort to keep the weight down, a ton of torque, about 130 horsepower and a somewhat reasonable price. Hey, why not ask for it all!

Smitty
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Posted 10/9/2007 11:37 AM (GMT -8)

I realize at 77 years of age & this being my 61st year of riding some of those bikes should have me frothing at the bitt to have one, but NO I do not need a copy of one of the old bikes I use to ride, with some modern improvements & definately the UGLY EV06 reminds me of some of the other Edisels that Honda seem to feel is THE answer while in so many cases they are soon dropped from production as they simply did not sell.

Might be a different story about the Honda CBR1000RR of '08 for I do have three sportbikes with one being a Honda 929 & the other is a 954 for that form of sportbike I understand well. Last thing I want is a poser bike.

Remember all the others on the road are crazy & out to kill you.

Post Edited (Smitty) : 10/26/2007 6:36:53 PM GMT

freebird
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Posted 10/25/2007 1:37 PM (GMT -8)

I love the futuristic styling of the EV06 but the Rune with the flat-six engine (without the GWs plastic, luggage, and electronics) is still 770-lb and I would expect the EV01 to be in that same range. If the EV06 was something like 500-lbs dry I would buy it - particularly with that hydraulic transmission. If the bike is over 500-lbs dry they should redesign it and build a smaller lighter version using the flat-four 750 engine featured in the 2003 "near future" Griffon Concept.

Andy VH
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Posted 10/25/2007 8:40 PM (GMT -8)

I must be gettin' old, cause that CB1100R is really trippin' my triggers.

But then, I lusted after the old CBF1100.

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louemc
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Posted 10/26/2007 9:21 AM (GMT -8)

I had a CB900F and it was very good at the time, but that was also because nothing was really very good at that time and we didn't know any better. Just expected the galloping wobbles if the corners got pushed a bit hard. I wouldn't go back to the bad old days at all

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GAJ
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Posted 10/26/2007 10:24 AM (GMT -8)

Not every bike has to be a rocket ship; the F is way cool and I could see adding an air cooled bike to my others.

Would probably be a sales dog in the US, but that just means you could pick one up, eventually, for a song.

Gription
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Posted 10/26/2007 1:33 PM (GMT -8)

I don't know what it is but I love the 1100R. I dreamed I was ridding one the other night. I want to go back to an inline, I'm tired of the twin.

Walk up to a corner and run out of it.

Smax
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Posted 10/27/2007 2:08 AM (GMT -8)

Gription said...
I don't know what it is but I love the 1100R. I dreamed I was ridding one the other night. I want to go back to an inline, I'm tired of the twin.

Shake it uup!!

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Nataraj.Hauser
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Posted 12/25/2007 5:50 PM (GMT -8)

Geeez, you guys really ARE a bunch of geezers. All I see on this page is a bunch of backward-looking 80's remorseful 40-somethings who think the acme of style was 1983. Move on boys, and lose the mullets. I like the CB repli-dinosaur too, but probably wouldn't buy one. It's so yaaaawn, and if I want to yawn I already own a 919. The EV6? INTERESTING. Too bad you're likely right that Honda will release it (if ever) as a 650 lb barge for $20k, aimed at ... guys our age who have VP after their name on their business card. Just like the Ruin, er, Rune.

My fave bike in the garage? An MZ Baghira stupid-motard, done up so I can quick-change it for long-weekend adventure touring. 676 CCs with 55 HP and 55 fp of torque. Got wheelie?

<<<note condom on my dickhead.

Smitty
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Posted 12/25/2007 9:09 PM (GMT -8)

Agree with you Hauser, for that six cylindered piece of crap is exactly that & as I said earlier I am not willing to go back in time of bikes I could have owned then with old syspension systems & such. No nothing there with Honda that interstes me or excites my pocket book as possibly the bike I would love to have. I will stick with my Honda 929 & 954 thank you.

Remember all the others on the road are crazy & out to kill you.

CaddmannQ
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Posted 12/25/2007 10:05 PM (GMT -8)

Nataraj.Hauser said...
Geeez, you guys really ARE a bunch of geezers. All I see on this page is a bunch of backward-looking 80's remorseful 40-somethings...

<<<note condom on my dickhead.

40-somethings? rolleyes

Errr..., more like 50-something, 60-something, and even 70-something geezers; though I think all of us really appreciate the mechanical improvements made over the past 40 or 50 years.

Styling, OTOH, has sometimes gotten to the point where stylists are so desperate to plonk out something new and different, that they just fail to recognize the overboard, outlandish, and just plain ugly when they see it.

As for the condom thing: how appropriate!

Do you realize we sometimes call that a Doogie Hauser? ;-)

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Nataraj.Hauser
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Posted 12/26/2007 5:00 AM (GMT -8)

<<...Doogie Howser...

Heh! Nope, I didn't. I just knew that I was jumping into the pool and being a dickhead. I just had such a visceral response to more of the same old pining for the Good Old Days. I LIKE the direction some of the new bikes are taking. I could easily see myself owning a Kawi Versys; sell me a Gurney Alligator (the thumper version, please); Knock 100 lbs of off Harley's Rocker and sell me one of those too. What I miss about the G.O.D.'s is mid-sized (650-ish), light weight (400-ish lbs), do most everything bikes (I could see myself on a Triumph Scrambler) but WITHOUT ALL THE RETRO BAGGAGE. No detuned motor from a RTYHSRT3200RR and no options for a happy passenger and a set of saddlebags. How about some bungee hooks, designers? I just might want to actually go somewhere on my bike, with my sweetie (though she rides her own SV650...see my wish list above). Here's my ride:

YellowDuck
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Posted 12/28/2007 12:58 AM (GMT -8)

Hmm...nice first post. Entertaining anyway. Welcome.

You want a simple do-it-all bike "without all the retro baggage", but you have a Harley Rocker on your list? Huh? Are Harleys not "retro" by virtue of the fact that their styling never actually left the 1940s?

Anyway, I find the F bland, but the other two are nice ideas. The potential for a really cool stripped down bike based on the Goldwing motor has always been there. Indeed, that is exactly what the original (flat four) Goldwing was, and it was nifty. Heavy? So what. Lots of the coolest bikes have been a bit portly. We are talking power cruiser here, and I am sure I needn't mention the hyper-cool but somewhat hefty progenitor of that whole class. Back to the Honda, the modern six is such a nice unit, it just begs to be highlighted in a bike that is all about the motor and not about sound systems, heated cup holders and air bags. And without the Harley wannabe-ness of the Valkyrie. No, it won't appeal to someone who choses a motard with saddle bags and top case as his primary mount, but what does that prove? Nothing.

The appeal of the 1100R is also its simplicity. Who needs servo-actuated exhaust power valves, fly-by-wire throttle, VTEC, ABS linked brakes, computer controlled variable intake length, fuel in the frame, fuel under the seat, tuned flex frames, or even a radiator for that matter? All you really need (at least in the "old fart philosophy") is an air cooled motor of adequate displacement, two wheels and a seat. Yes, keep the solid state electronic ignition and the FI, because those two things actually make the machine more (rather than less) simple, and we certainly don't need the old weedy "retro" suspension. And put the fuel in the fuel tank, please.

Unfortunately, such archetypical simplicity must, by definition, remain "conceptual". The eco-crats have pretty much made certain that you can't build a bike anymore, especially an air cooled one, that doesn't have catalytic converters, evap cannisters, etc. So this nice elemental machine would, in the real world, end up a maize of tubes and plastic add-ons just like everything else.

But you can get close. My Ducati Sport 1000, despite its "retro baggage", is also very close to the archetypical simple aircooled sportbike I am trying to describe here. Yes, there is some tacked-on emissions control stuff to remove and, unfortunately, Ducati saw fit to cheap out on the suspension. And the brakes. Okay, the wheels too (they require tubes). So, you whittle away over time and install Ohlins and 4-pot Brembos and Alpina tubeless spokers and of course an exhaust system and eventually you have a nice, simple, very functional bike for only about $7500 over MSRP....okay, I guess it wasn't that close to the archetype to begin with, really. But if someone built something closer, there would be a market for it. Maybe the CB1100R is it.

Cheers.

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Nataraj.Hauser
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Posted 12/28/2007 6:16 AM (GMT -8)

Well, in principle I agree with simple=good, but wish for simple and effective with contemporary styling. That's the reason I reference the Versys. I also like the Gold Wing-powered concept, a lot. I find the other two exercises in simple=1980. The bike closest to what I long for is the Suzuki SV650, and my wife owns one so I get to ride it whenever I want. I had hopes for the H-D V-rod, but that was a disappointment.

Fuel in the frame? Fine with me. Under-engine exhaust? Perfect. 1,2,3,4, or 6 cylinders? OK, but I'm a less is more kind of guy. FI? Yes, please. Trip meters, digital dash, effective lighting and horn. Absolutely.

As for the motard with bags? I bought the 'tard to be a hooligan. I loved it so much I wanted to actually use it for riding. I wanted to commute on it, with a lunch and maybe even my laptop and a book. I wanted to go camping. It's more fun to ride than my Honda 919, so I started messing with it to see how I could make it useful. Hard bags were a not-obvious last choice, but they do work and they pop right off. The stock headlight is a dangerous joke, and the PIAAs have saved my bacon twice already (stupid deer!). None of my mods prevent it from being ridden as a motard (with the bags off) and it is already heavier than say a Suzuki DR400-Z so it's never going to be a motard race bike. It's a street bike with street tires, and now it's a jack-of-many-trades street bike.

Next bike that has captured my attention? The BMW 800 parallel twins, especially the GS version. Fresh thinking, keeping the old idea alive without making a retro Boxer 800. I'm no Harley fan (my wife owns an 883 Sportster that she's put 37,000 teeth rattling miles on) but I like the wild style of the Rocker. Yeah, the concept of a "factory custom" is a bit weird. Will I own one? Probably not. No place for saddle bags.........

And thanks for the welcome. I didn't really earn it. I'll be more civil.

Smitty
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Posted 12/28/2007 8:41 AM (GMT -8)

Friend of mine tried his hand at many makes & models & was not really good with most of them for he did not own them for longer then 1 or 2 yrs so he did not get the feel of how to ride them. Mind you he never dabbed in on a sportbike for they frighten him.

I remember when he had a Gas Gas Observed Trials & simply rode around the dirt roads, to in & out of ditches like a novice as he basically glued his butt to what was called a saddle--obviously he did not ride like one would in Observed Trials, which was something I use to specialie in from '47 till '89.

Then a few yrs ago he bough a KTM Motard & was shocked at how the tyres wore out so fast. So next attempt was to put in a larger dia front wheel, but could not put in a 21" & accepted a 20" along with rear shock & f/forks to some specialist. His aim was so he could ride on the streets to some of the back roads to gravel to even dirt ones & once in a while try his hand at some 4X4 roads. I think he finally had it working to his liking, but then have not seen him for around two yrs. Anyway his last attemp seemed to be in the correct direction.

Remember all the others on the road are crazy & out to kill you.

Post Edited (Smitty) : 12/28/2007 4:44:35 PM GMT

GAJ
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Posted 12/28/2007 12:34 PM (GMT -8)

N.H, welcome.

Love my DRZ400SM for the reasons you mention and love my F800ST (without ABS...I had an ABS version and it's a widow maker IMHO). I will never buy another bike over 500lbs. The F800GS version looks mighty tasty. The underseat gas tank idea is a wonderful thing in many ways.

Find myself riding my TL1000S less and less, just like your 919, even though in its modified state it is fun to ride.

Kinda really like the Street Triple.

Should I dump the TL for the Triple???

Probably, but I'd get nothing for the TL so I'll likely keep it for the once in a while need for speed.

Still like that Honda though.

Nataraj.Hauser
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Posted 12/28/2007 1:46 PM (GMT -8)

I'm gonna take a looooong look at the street triple this year. It's not that there's anything wrong with the 919. It works great, is quick enough, smooth (except I'm really used to thumper vibes, not inline fours), and also has racks so I can swap the Givi bags between the MZ and it as needed. I just don't Love it. So fickle...

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