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   Posted 5/19/2007 11:14 AM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
POWER STROKE said...
 
I fall into the second catagory, as Stephen Julius and the IMI (Indian Motorcycle International) crew has done nothing to make me think otherwise, and believe me, I am far from being the eternal optomist.
 
I can't wait to see what the future will bring.
If all the people who admires my Chief, buys one of the new ones, there will be a lot of Indians out there. I can't wait for that day.
Best wishes for the new Indians
 
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   Posted 5/20/2007 9:46 AM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I hope it goes well for them. If they can make a reliable well engendered bike they have a shot at success. These days reliable is mandatory for long success of a bike line. Truth is I am more interested in what they do with the scout. This is where they really have a chance to be creative.


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   Posted 5/22/2007 12:37 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Chief/Nomad? That you from over to delphi? mac...


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   Posted 6/9/2007 6:11 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
why bother ?o we need another Oldsmobile? Let the Chinese have a go at it.Everyone's a chief.Stupid 2000 left over with no factory support, 800+ lbs of chrome, bad coil, jackshaft, ....only a Harley head could relate to it.YOU CAN"T RELIVE THE PAST...move forwrd or die.


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   Posted 6/9/2007 7:23 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm sure the Chinese would have a go!
 
Kawasaki did and by all accounts it was a good bike!


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   Posted 6/9/2007 7:32 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What would be the ultimate hoot would be if the Chinese made a resurrected Indian that was a success. Wouldn't that just be a bitch slap in the face to the American failure in Gilroy California?


 Focus the forces, Be The Force

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   Posted 6/9/2007 7:38 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
EdbearNZ said...
I'm sure the Chinese would have a go!
 
Kawasaki did and by all accounts it was a good bike!

The Drifter didn'handle as well as the Nomad, due to un-sprung weight issues, but sharing the same drivetrain was basically a really solid bike.

 

Lots of guys have transplanted the Drifter fender to a Nomad or Vulcan Classis just to get "the look". Here's one from last year's VROC rally:

 


 


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   Posted 6/11/2007 6:25 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, I hope they make a go it. I think they have chance. It sounds like they have the money to back up the venture for a while. And if they can actually turn out a quality bike, with no issues, at a good price, and hang in there long enough, they just might make it. I hope they do. I think if they will give us a good product with very little or better yet no cheap plastic chrome, a good motor, decent suspenson which the Scout never had, at least on the last time around, and clean up the wiring, then maybe we will have some competition for Harley.


 
     

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   Posted 9/27/2007 2:33 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
POWER STROKE said...
All of you have made valid points, all of which have been made in the Indian motorcycle community for the past 3-4 years.



There are three camps, those who believe that IMI will be a failure, those that believe that it will be a success, and those that will wait and see.



I fall into the second catagory, as Stephen Julius and the IMI (Indian Motorcycle International) crew has done nothing to make me think otherwise, and believe me, I am far from being the eternal optomist.



In their Yacht and powerboat operations they do not build just one style, so to assume that will be the case with Indian is just simply foolish, given time I am sure we will all be surprised.



That being said, I would like to see a lineup similiar in diversity as that of Triumph.



As a Gilroy Indian owner let me say that I have a unique perspective of these bikes and it humors me when all I see is negitivity concerning them, mostly from non owners who read something, heard something, knew someone who knew someone, etc, etc.



These motorcycles were not perfect, but when it's issues have been addressed and sorted out, they are a hell of a bike that does all things extremely well, and unless you own one you simply cannot speak to it's qualities, just as I cannot concerning a Triumph, BMW, or a Honda.



If IMI builds on and improves the solid '02-'04 Powerplus Chief platform (And it appears they will) they will have a solid foundation from which they will be able to create some great motorcycles and have the flexability to produce more sporting designs that will attract newer and younger buyers.



I can't wait to see what the future will bring.


Hello Power Stroke--I figured we'd meet up again somewhere out in this cyber world.
Interesting post you have made here.
Seems like you are at it again--proclaiming yourself the know all -- end all authority concerning Gilroy Indian Motorcycles.
Lets be fair and give these folks a differing opinion.
It will be intersting to see if they are open minded enough to listen to ANOTHER side of the story.

Yes Friends there are 3 groups.
1. Those that believe IMC will be a failure.
2.Those that believe it will succeed.
3. Those with a wait and see attitude.

Lets take a minute, and break down the camps.
1. The failure Camp.
Also known as the doom sayers--also known as the kool aid drinkers--lapdogs--and general all around trouble makers.
Why would we have that reputation you may ask?
Because we did a little research on the curent owners of Indian.
Because we chose to believe that there are MORAL ways to deal with some of the unanswered--ignored questions concerning the demise and ressurection of the modern day Indian Companies.
Because we chose to align ourselves with a respected businessman who has his own visions concerning how a resurrection of Indian should be handled.

2.Those that believe Stellican will revive Indian Motorcycle Camp.
Also known as the Sheeple that seem to want to be led by the nose by a group of Southern California Internet Nazis who have proclaimed themselves the Rulers of the Universe concerning Indian Motorcycle--their History--their Care and upkeep.
Also known as the "Brotherhood" of Indian Motorcycle riders who run a so called "Open Forum" concerning all things Indian.
Problem is?
The forum is only open to Indian Riders who toe the line.
There is a definite political agenda in place on that forum to maintain a PRO STELLICAN atmosphere.
Excuse me here--how is a forum Public, and free when you are expected to only speak positives about a Company you find distasteful?
Answer is?
That forum was being directed towards an alliance with the Stellican Indian Company.
Problem?
That forum lost-ran off--and abused members to the point of self destruction trying to attain that goal.
And?
In the end that forum and the Riders Group it represents was publicly passed by this past Summer in place of the old Gilroy Riders Group the IRG.
Yep--Stellican kind of put it to you boys didn't they PS?

Interesting that you put yourself into the optimist camp Power Stroke.
You state that Julius has never done anything to make you feel anything but optimistic concerning their resuerrection attempt.
Let me see?
Get Ready to Ride--05?
Get Ready to Ride--06?
Get Ready to Ride--07?
Get Ready to Ride--08--Well maybe 09 if you read their latest press release.

Me?
I'm a suspicious sort--I'm going to guess the delay in reintroducing the New StellicIndian might have something to do withoutstanding warranty issues.
Maybe a time concern on liability issues?
Hey PS--have you done your research--I'll tell you a little Liability story some day.

Why don't you tell these folks about the PR Lady (Karin Moss)being released what--2 months ago.
Reason being cited on your other board?
Nothing for her to do right now-Yes folks--there's a new business philosophy for you.
Supposedly they are ready to launch their"Iconic" brand REALLY SOON, and there is no work for a Public Relations Specialist.

Hey Power Stroke.
Want to let these folks know how Karin introduced the New Indian Motorcycle at the California Concours Show Last Spring?
Moet Champagne Chief--complete with cooler for your bottles of Moet Champagne.
Those are some REAL MOTORCYCLE RIDING FOLKS there don't you think?

Latest Press Release?
They are partnering with a high end clothing maker to introduce "ICONIC" Indian Branded apperal.
Exclusively sold through NIEMAN MARCUS.
According to the press release they issued--you will be able to buy all your Indian clothing in Nieman Marcus--right down to the -- and this is a quote from the article--"HARD CORE BIKER GEAR"--Damn folks--I guess I'm a poor biker--never been into a Nieman Marcus, and couldn't afford to buy anything in there anyway.

Oh--before I forget?
This Iconic American Riding Appearal?
Going to be made in China.

Hey Power Stroke!

If they build on the "solid '02-'04 platform" ?????
What was solid about it?
Hey folks--I ride one of the nicest Cheefs you are going to ever see on the road.
45k on it now--but every one was earned.
Believe me -- it was no kind of solid platform when I bought it.
Hey PS where do we begin?
I'll make rundown on what I've done to mine in the past 3 years.
1.
Head gaskets.
2 sets--one went 2 weeks and 3000 miles after it came off the showroom floor.
PS--how many PP head gaskets do you personally know of that have been replaced--and replaced--and replaced?
What do you reckon PS--head gaskets a problem on the PP motors as they came out of the factory?

2.
Pinion failure on the '02-'04 Power Plus Motors as they came out of the factory.
Come on Power Stroke--how many miles before you had to have a rebuild?
Me --I got to 5500 miles.
If I remeber right you weren't far behind.

3.
Wiring issues.
How many night and afternoons did you lose riding time to tryin to sort out the wiring gremlins.

4.
Soft rear pulley.
How many miles before you replaced that bad boy?
I got round 20k and it shit the bed on me.

I could go on and on and on--and you'd have to agree I was being truthful.
Me?
I was lucky enough to get mine to a rebuilder who knows his business--you sent your bike to the SAME guy when your motor took a dump--remember?
Yes folks--a lot of the issues have been worked out of these Gilroy bikes, and they are dependable as hell when you get them right-I've done 4 Iron Butt Rides on my Cheef and I trust him to get me where I want to go--but he sure wasn't born that way.
I'll tell you right here and now--Stellican had NOTHING to do withany improvements you'll see being made on Gilroy bikes.

Damn Stephen--good to see you again and talk Indian Motorcycles--I love the hell out of mine--I ride the hell out of it, and would never ride anything else.

But that Stellican Group?
Nope--you can have them.
Yep--going to be interesting times coming up soon in the Indian World.

:p

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   Posted 9/27/2007 2:53 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Seems many are only talking about what they think without doing any research.

If you did some research you would either change some of your thoughts or show that you are against Indian no matter what they reality of the situation is. If the latter your opinion is null anyway.

Indian has hired many great minds from Harley and from Victory as well as other companies.
Julius is friends with Bloor (Triumph) and gets advice from him.
Indian has spoken with and toured all the big motorcycle producers.
Not only is Indian working on the V-Twin for the Chief but you will see other bikes with new engines. Modern engines.
The Chief will never be a high production bike. It will be the Rolls Royce of the line.
The company will be back on the race track... no, not just in the HD drags. And it will happen soon.
Gilroy had a 5 year plan. All Gilroy was looking for was an IPO
Kings Mountain has a 5, 10 and 15 year plan. They know and are prepared for slow growth.

The first bike, the Chief, will not offer any great surprises. It will be the bike that should have come out of Gilroy in the first place.
The bikes that follow... that is when eyes will open as to how serious this company is.


The most important thing said in that interview is...


Stephen Julius: You know what, by the end of this year you'll see them hitting the streets, that's my forecast. We want to get the engineering right, that's more important to me than what month I hit the streets with the bike, to be really honest. We're estimating the end of this year or the beginning of next year.


It is refreshing to hear a company president who is more worried about getting the product RIGHT before getting it to market by some date. Originally he said it would be out by late fall 07 or early 08 and it seems to have slipped out to spring 08. So they miss the (USA) winter season which is not the best time to sell bikes and they pushed out to the start of the ridding season. If the bike is solid who really cares if it takes a few more months then originally expected.

To bad no one at Gilroy had the balls to think like that. Maybe if they held back a few months and got the Indian engine right before shipping it out they would still be in business.
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   Posted 9/27/2007 3:11 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
KC Cheef said...
Latest Press Release?
They are partnering with a high end clothing maker to introduce "ICONIC" Indian Branded apperal.
Exclusively sold through NIEMAN MARCUS.
According to the press release they issued--you will be able to buy all your Indian clothing in Nieman Marcus--right down to the -- and this is a quote from the article--"HARD CORE BIKER GEAR"--Damn folks--I guess I'm a poor biker--never been into a Nieman Marcus, and couldn't afford to buy anything in there anyway.

Oh--before I forget?
This Iconic American Riding Appearal?
Going to be made in China.

Wow!!! Looks like you two have a history.

I will stay out of what I don't know but I think you read something other then the press release.
It says nothing of the product being exclusive to NIEMAN MARCUS or that all the product will be made in China.

Here is the press release for any one who cares to read what was really said.


Indian Press Release said...
Indian Motorcycle® Company is pleased to announce that it has set up a new company named Iconic American Brands, which has been granted the license to develop and distribute a collection of apparel and related products under the Indian Motorcycle brand. Indian Motorcycle Company is America’s oldest and most revered motorcycle brand. This new company is headed by apparel industry veteran Steve Miska. In addition to Indian Motorcycle, the other shareholders of Iconic American Brands include a group of IAB executives and an outside group of investors from the apparel industry. The premier collection is scheduled to debut in January 2008 for Fall 2008 deliveries.

“There is a significant and exciting opportunity in the apparel market today to develop a high end range of quality clothing and accessories exploiting the authentic, heritage, aspirational attributes of this great American motorcycle lifestyle brand ” commented Stephen Julius, Chairman of Indian Motorcycle Company which is about to recommence production of motorcycles from its Kings Mountain, NC, plant.

Indian Motorcycles, which was founded in 1901, has attained a cult-like status among many consumers. The new Indian Motorcycle apparel collection is designed to appeal to the aspirational 35-55+ motorcycle enthusiast who has an interest in fashion and authenticity. The collection will feature performance apparel and premium sportswear which pays tribute to the heritage of the brand. Embodying the freedom of spirit and adventure associated with motorcycling, the Indian Motorcycle apparel collection offers an exciting new lifestyle brand for the motorcycle aficionado and spectator alike.

““I couldn’t be more excited about this venture,” says Mr. Miska. “It’s an opportunity to introduce apparel under a powerful brand name, Indian Motorcycle, a true iconic American brand. Indian has symbolized American motorcycling for over 100 years and we intend to bring that life style and its extraordinary heritage to the forefront in the development of our premium apparel collection”

This is the first venture for Iconic American Brands, whose President and Creative Director, Steve Miska is a seasoned apparel executive with years of experience in the apparel and retail industries. Most recently, Mr. Miska was Creative Director and Co-Founder of Saltaire, a lifestyle brand of luxury sportswear that is a division of Seattle Pacific Industries. Mr. Miska had been with SPI since 1996, where he launched The Nautica Marine Denim Company under license from Nautica International, and revived the once popular 80’s brand Sergio Valente, turning it into one of the leaders in the premium denim market. Mr. Miska had also been the founder of Miska Design Resource, a private label manufacturer and Chief Executive Officer of Generra Sportswear, one of the fashion leaders in the apparel industry. Mr. Miska has held high level creative, design and management positions in wholesale and retail companies throughout his professional career.

Julie Nardi has been named Design Director of the new Indian Motorcycle apparel collection. She will be responsible for all aspects of design from concept development to final production. Ms. Nardi is a highly talented and experienced designer, who most recently was Design Director at Tommy Bahama, where she was responsible for the signature collection of men’s sportswear. Ms. Nardi was with Tommy Bahama since its inception in 1992 and was instrumental in the development and success of the brand. Prior to that, Ms. Nardi was a designer at Generra Sportswear, where she worked with Mr. Miska.

The Indian Motorcycle apparel collection will target luxury specialty department stores, such as Neiman Marcus, Saks Fifth Avenue, & Nordstrom, as well as select upscale specialty stores, Indian Motorcycle stores and their distributors.

About Iconic American Brands

Iconic American Brands is a newly created apparel company based in Seattle, WA, The controlling shareholder of the company is the Indian Motorcycle Company, one of America’s oldest and most revered motorcycle brands. In addition to Indian Motorcycle, the other shareholders of Iconic American Brands include a group of IAB executives and an outside group of investors from the apparel industry. Iconic American Brands first venture is to design, produce and distribute a collection of apparel and related products under the Indian Motorcycle label.

About Stellican

The controlling shareholder of Indian Motorcycle Company is represented by a London based private equity firm, Stellican Limited. The company has an impressive track record of resurrecting classic brands, including, most recently, the successful re-launch of Riva boats in Italy and Chris-Craft® boats which is still controlled by Stellican’s investors today. Chris-Craft was founded in 1874 and is among the oldest boat brands in the United States. “We will apply the same long-term, premium positioning, approach to Indian which my partner, Steve Heese and I have employed successfully at Chris-Craft,” commented Stephen Julius, Chairman of both Indian Motorcycle and Chris-Craft. Steve Heese is President of both companies. “We are confident that we will repeat our success with Indian Motorcycle by remaining true to the rich heritage of this incredible brand and doing things slowly and thoroughly. We are certain that there is an important role for Indian Motorcycle in the future of the American motorcycle market,” added Mr. Julius.
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   Posted 9/27/2007 4:14 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Indian Press Release said... "Indian Motorcycle Company is America’s oldest and most revered motorcycle brand..."

 

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Yeah, that sounds like a press release alright.


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   Posted 9/27/2007 6:42 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
WOW!!
Caught me on the EXCLUSIVE thing.
EXCUSE ME--yes the appearal will also be sold at Saks and Nordstrom--that's where I buy all my Motorcyle gear--got to look good don't you know!!
LMFAO!!
And--yes it will be sold through the dealerships if they ever have the good fortune to find a sucker to invest $4 to $5 Million in a dealership that so far in this game would have no motorcycles to sell.
Stellican themselves warn potential dealers that it woud be a long term investment. LMMFAO
I THINK you best do a little more research on where the clothing line will be manufactured. LMFAO Again.
And yes--me and Power Stroke have a "History"
We used to both post quite a bit on another Indian Motorcycle Forum-(The Indian Nazis I refer to)
I'm going to guess there will be a few more new members signing on here in the next few doays--those guys hunt in packs--if you disrespect their Stellican Saviors they'll come after you--me I decided to open my eyes up a little and went with the Doubters.
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   Posted 9/27/2007 6:48 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Power Stroke and Big Chief have the right thoughts here. I don't know what fuels KC but he seems to have some real need for "anger management"! LOL From all the forums out there it seems like a floc of folks are put out because a newly formed business doesn't include them in their planning sessions. Hey, if you hate Indian so much, why would they want to listen? Sell your Indian and put us all out of this misery of constant complaints.

I have two of the Gilroy Chiefs and can tell you just like Big Chief and Power Stroke, in a field of Harleys and Japanese bikes that continue to copy every Harley style, the Chief will draw a crowd of very positive viewers. Its common to have car after car pass by with the "thumbs up" and nice bike comment. As far as Gilroy quality, I don't own a PP 100 so I can only speak of the S&S and the bikes are great, would not change a thing. The PP 100 was the right thing for Gilroy to do, but the wrong people and wrong attitude made it the straw that broke the the camel's back.

Let's get out, ride our bikes and enjoy what we have, and judge the new Indian when it gets here.


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   Posted 9/27/2007 6:58 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And?
After reading some of the posts at the beginning of this thread?
Yes--Stellican does have a track record of reviving Iconic ( I hate that term but Jewels uses it --A LOT!!)Brands.
What you fail to notice though is that for the most part they find companies that are mismanaged, and kind of floundering.
They invest time and money to jump start a company that for the most part is still there.
Indian?
Well--all they have to start Indian back up with is a name.
And it's a name that has been badly tarnished throughout the years.
Factory--Gone.
Tooling--Gone.
Parts manufacturers and Suppliers--Gone and ain't coming back--screwed too bad by the Gilroy bunch.
Dealer Network that tried to hold on for the past 5 years--Gone.


And--Once again my apologies for stating Nieman Marcus would be the exclusive dealer for the clothing line.
Nordstroms and Saks just totally slipped my mind. LMMFAO a whole damn bunch!!!!!!
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   Posted 9/27/2007 7:12 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
HeyPappy.
No anger control issues here.
Just an honest opinion.
Sell my cheef?
You got to be kidding right?
I ride the finest motorcycle on the road (My opinion--my motorcycle--I'm going to hope you consider your rides to be the best out there also.)
As for the SUPERIOR quality of your S&S Gilroy?
How many miles you have?
Have you done YOUR RESEARCH on your S&S?
Did you buy yor bikes new?
If you did?
Were you informed of the issues, and were the repairs done?

Let me see--you are also a new member on here?
You seem to jump right to the conclusion that I don't respect Indian Motorcycles, and you hint that I need some anger control management?
Looks like the boys were waiting on me over here--some folks just don't like to her unpleasant truths.
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   Posted 9/28/2007 3:35 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Well I have two Gilroy S&S bikes. The first I bought new in 2000 and it has about 35K on the odometer right now. There have been no problems with the bike other than normal stuff that happens in 7 years. Top end, bottom end, transmission, have never had a wrench applied. The Wife rides it now and has a great time doing so. She just recently claimed her first 1K weekend on the bike. The second bike is the Centennial bike that belonged to Chiefin. Its in pieces at the moment having finished a new paint job and powder coating the wheels, new tires etc.....still no problems. I think Chiefin said the bike had about 12 when he sold it, and we put another 2K since then. I like the S&S motor, it serves my purpose and they have been around and will continue to be for decades. The S&S will out run a PP, both in stock trim an if you ever need parts, they are everywhere. As for research, its called ride and learn.

If I read your post about "did they tell me about all the problems", the answer is no. Of all the riders I have met, no one outside of PP 100 riders have ever mentioned any issues either. Same old story....one guy has a problem and screams so loud you would think every bike out there has the same problem...not true. I've heard the same crap and after 50K on my current FLHT, know its not true. Just a bunch of loud mouth squealers trying to "share their pain". Almost as bad as a guy who claims he has spent $45K on his bike. I would assume $22K for the bike and 23K on repairs/improvements. Yea right. I heard a guy make that claim and followed with "why would anyone lay down $1K for a 2008 Indian"? LOL What a croc!

As far as the ChrisCraft vs Indian, I'm pretty sure that CC was out of business, closed doors. Could be wrong but seems like they were completely gone at one point.
 
Now run back and report to John so he can give you some more bad information to spread. In the mean time, just answer one question: why do you folks hate IMC so much?
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   Posted 9/28/2007 6:04 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Chris Craft was very much out of business. We have Bayliners ourselves but I do remember just how bad CC had become in the 1990's. CC use to be the industry leader and by the 1990's they were a joke. Part of the reason we have our Bayliner. But our next boat may be a CC if we ever sell the Bayliner.

When CC was bought in the late 90's by the guys who own Indian there was nothing left. The factory was a joke and there was NO TRADEMARK!!! The company that built CC was paying a royalty to the owner of the TM! Stellican was able to buy the name and get it back to being a boat maker and not a TV production house that leased the name to a boat builder. That alone was big news in the boat industry. Had they not pulled that off the company would have been worthless.

When they started building boats they pretty much got rid of any equipment that came with the purchase of the building and brought in the most current state of the art technology for building boats. There were no employees since the company had been shutdown for something like a year or so. During the first couple years they built a very low number of boats and went through a lot of employees until they got the right people who had the right vision to get CC back to where they are now. A leader in the industry and the leader in the segments of the industry the boats compete in.

What is real neat with the CC story is that they are expanding while other boat companies are shutting down facilities.

I agree with some of the other posters in this thread. If anyone can bring back Indian, and I am not sure anyone can, these guys seem to have the money and the balls to do it right. Anyone who wants to see Indian come back should be more then happy that these guys are the ones who got the TM.
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   Posted 9/28/2007 8:50 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
OK--did a little checking around--yep Pappy is one of the boys from the cheerleading squad.
Big Chief--yep--it's agreed then they started out with a factory and tooling-and improved on what EXISTED.
They are BONE PICKERS--they look for companies that are struggling--cut the jugular, and take them over.
Hey Pappy--your Little Chief might out run SOME PPs--but it ain't going to outrun mine.
Dead stop--top end Long haul or any other way.
You been listening to Maldev too long.
And you need to meet up and ride with a Malfa'd PP.
Lets see?
You got a Woods cam right? LMAO!!!
Yep--I can give you a couple of names that will verify--they learned out on the road.
A Malfad PP will run the heart right out of you S&S.
And before it starts?
Nope not bragging--not trying to put your ride down--just stating a fact.
Oh wait--you said stock trim.
Want to run a stock V-Plus--built by Crazy Horse?
You ain't outrunning it either.

Hate IMC?--nope like I said you been brainwashed by your buds for too long--no one I know hates anyone or anything connected to Indian motorcycle--
No one I know has ever threatened anyone--hurt anyone--or even implied they would--you just hang with a dishonest crowd.
Your bud BlackDog(AKA Faggotyliar) just gets a little overanxious, and when he can't think of anything truthful to say a lie works just as good for him.
You have Chiefins old bike?
Like I said--do your homework, and see what was done to it before you bought it, then ask him why he sold it and report back to us with an honest answer.

As for istenig to John White?
Yep--guilty on that one.
I'm going to make a guess here--won't be long before you'lll be listening to him also.

You ride safe--I got better things to do than argue with a yes man who wants to support the California Kool Aid Crew.

Tell those boys hey for me, and tell powerstroke hey also,
Happy Trails
KC
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   Posted 9/28/2007 9:55 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'll take the S&S any time. As it turns out I ride with a couple of folks who have an Indian with the S&S engine and they love them. I've also built two customs using the S&S engine and never had one problem with either of them. Never heard much good about the PP. Actually heard more bad things like head gasket issues which has already been brought up.
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   Posted 9/29/2007 5:24 AM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That's exactly why I question Power Strokes statement tht the 02-04 Gilroys were built on a solid platform.
Head Gasket issues(that's actually not the gaskets as much as the machining of the heads.)
Hey--do a liittle research, and I think oyu'll find the damn domes in the head aren't even machined out correctly--seems like that 100 is more in the 90 range.)
Of course a lot of the issues with that motor were discovered by John White--all he can get from the "TRUE INDIAN SUPPORTERS is grief)--pinion race issues--oil pump issues-fly wheel issues.
Get those engines right though and no way a SS touches them performance wise.
Hey Pappy--your S&S--was it built by S&S--or is it a Gilroy build?
Hell there is even some aguent out tere wether or not a motor whose parts were supplied by S&S and built by Indian in california are evn really S&S motors.
Come on friend--let us know what you found out on the history of your motor.
I'm going to guess if you are happy with it and it performs well that the issues have already been taken care of.
Has the rocker box issue been taken care of?

Okay--time to get ripped up as not being an Indian Supporter again.
Me?
I just have a problem with bullshit.
Tell it like it is and get it fixed.

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   Posted 9/30/2007 2:42 AM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
KC Cheef said...

Get those engines right though and no way a SS touches them performance wise.


Define performance......

For what it costs to get the PP engine right I could buy an S&S and not worry about it. lol
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   Posted 9/30/2007 5:57 AM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
HogWild said...
KC Cheef said...

Get those engines right though and no way a SS touches them performance wise.


Define performance......

For what it costs to get the PP engine right I could buy an S&S and not worry about it. lol


Yep--and you'd still have a 1 of a million S&S.
How much DOES it cost to get an S&S right?
I'll bet you couldn't buy an S&S for what it cost me to get mine right, and it's REALLY RIGHT--ain't that right Power Stroke.
Performance?
S&S--PP--Ultima--Yadda--Yadda--Yadda.
Hell for what it cost to buy an S&S I could buy a used Japper bike and Perform circles around you.
Kind of cracks me up when us V-Twin guys go to talking PERFORMANCE--I think most Jap bike riders just listen to us and laugh their asses off.
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   Posted 9/30/2007 5:58 AM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

KC, you really have some issues you need to deal with. I urge you to get some help before this stuff eats you up.

PS The more you type the more foolish you look. You don't know me or my bikes and you have made so many comments that are just flat guesses and wrong. I don't know who you have been listening to but you should do more homework. And for the S&S, its always been my understanding that the motors were assembled in Gilroyand neither motor has ever needed as much as a simple repair as long as I've had them. Maybe I'm lucky and got the only good one they built. As for John, just another kit bike builder who selected the Gilroy Indian to copy. Nothing wrong with that, just not leadership material. As for a cheerleader, yep, I hope Indian makes a comeback and thrives. GO INDIAN! sisk boom baah!


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   Posted 9/30/2007 1:02 PM (GMT -7)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You can get an S&S EVO 92ci at JP for about $5,200 with ignition.

Sounds like Indian did what all the other American brands do that use S&S. The cost of buying a complete engine from S&S is too expensive for a company that is not a custom shop. A place building one off like West Coast Choppers can get away with the cost of a crate engine but someone like Big Dog just can't. The price of the bikes would be too high. It is much cheaper to buy the parts and pay people to assemble them at 15 bucks an hour on an assembly line.

Plus they save money by not buying all the parts from S&S. If you have not looked into building an engine you really should. The mark up S&S makes on parts it buys from other suppliers is very very high. Smart companies just buy direct or find other suppliers that charge less.

So knowing that Indian built the S&S engines in house is not a surprise at all.

Is John White the wrench who did the work on the KC Cheef and Power Stroke bikes? No disrespect to him but I thought I had read that the Power Plus was just an EVO with a few cosmetic changes? Seems anyone who knows the EVO engine should be able to find the issues and fix them. It's not like the EVO was released without problems.

It's good to hear that the new owners are starting over with the engine. Sometimes it's better to just start over then to go through and repair someone else's mistakes.


The Real Pappy. Your bike is b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l!!! What does the other one look like?
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