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bkorfhage
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  		   Posted 4/18/2005 7:42 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The much awaited 250cc small-bore thumper test has finally been posted. We opten for the X, in a very close decision. What are your thoughts on the two bikes?

Go ahead, ask me anything.

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  		   Posted 4/18/2005 9:04 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Great comparison. Sounds like it would be hard to go wrong with either bike. Keep these kind of comparison tests coming!
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  		   Posted 4/18/2005 9:24 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Reg - You're absolutely right. We had to make a decision because that's what we do. But I would be completely stoked if somebody handed me the title to either one of these two machines.

Go ahead, ask me anything.

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  		   Posted 4/18/2005 4:56 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Do they pay you to do this? I mean, truly speaking, do they pay you to do this?
After reading that, I'd like one of each!
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  		   Posted 4/21/2005 6:15 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
which of the "free" mods were done to the WR250F prior to your testing?

thanks
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  		   Posted 4/21/2005 6:47 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I want one. I rode a 2004 CR a couple of weeks ago. For a 250 it is really hot, and very fun. And the suspension is killer.

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  		   Posted 4/26/2005 3:53 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
wrooster said...
which of the "free" mods were done to the WR250F prior to your testing?

anyone???

jim aka the wrooster
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  		   Posted 4/27/2005 11:59 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but I'm assuming you want to know if we uncorked them prior to testing? Yes. Unfortunately, all the bikes we tested are California compliant and sometimes we have to make them Oregon compliant.

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  		   Posted 4/27/2005 12:46 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
brian,
thanks for the reply. i'm trying to reconcile the power and torque curves with what modifications were made to your test wr250f... that said, could you detail exactly what you did to uncork the bike?

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  		   Posted 5/14/2005 6:57 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I dont know what the Yamaha has for power, but on Mothers day, I was blessed with getting to ride the Honda X. I am not a small rider, six foot, 230lbs, and the bike pulled me all over the place. I even tackled a couple of large uphills, with no problems. The bike was amazing, to the point that I got got a bit comfortable, and cocky on the thing, and ended up heading over the bars. Good thing I landed where I did, it gave the bike a nice soft spot to land on. Still have not made up my mind on which bike to get, as Yamaha was my ride for years. The Honda ways heavy on my mind after getting to ride it.
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  		   Posted 5/16/2005 7:15 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Brian:
 
Wrooster has a very valid question, but only asked half the question. Both bikes tested, if California(n) versions, are choked-down.
 
From what I know, the "California" CRF250X has a more restrictive airbox, muffler and an all together different cam than the other 49-state X's. In fact, this cam is milder than the "regular" one, which is milder than the one on the R bike.
 
So, the question still stands - what was done to both bikes (if anything) to get the dyno readings? Demanding readers want to know...
 
BTW - EXCELLENT shoot-out!!! MCUSA out shoots the print mags with much more detailed writing!
 
Cheers,
 
Jaime
 
 
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  		   Posted 5/16/2005 7:17 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
OOOPS, clicked the wrong icon - should had been "THUMBS UP"!

Jaime
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  		   Posted 5/16/2005 8:58 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey wrooster, i recognize you from thumpertalk.

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  		   Posted 5/17/2005 1:08 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Guys - We are given the bike by the manufacturers with California restrictions in place. The only modification we have ever done to our bikes, and more specifically to our off-road machines is to remove the baffle in the exhaust, which accomplished simply by removing the cover at the end of the exhaust and removing the noise suppressing baffle. We have never touched the cam on a test bike. However, Don did install a new cam on his 250X to go along with a Yosh exhaust and his X now feels as gnarly as the R version of the CRF250.

Also, remember that dyno reading are relative. What our dyno reads isn't always going to be exactly the same as another magazine. They are simply there as a data comparison tool.

Hope that helps. If you have any more questions fire away.

Go ahead, ask me anything.

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  		   Posted 5/17/2005 7:58 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Brian:

Thanks for the answer! That clears the air, there is easy extra power to find on the X with a few $$$.

Jaime
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  		   Posted 5/18/2005 7:24 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Definitely. Especially if you do decide to throw the hotter cam in there. We'll have a story on the aftermarket cam and exhaust that Don fitted on his X. We'll dyno it and put it head to head with a stock CRF250R to see how they compare in terms of power. Stay tuned...

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  		   Posted 11/19/2005 5:23 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
How does the CRF250X do in sand? Just curious, thanks...
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  		   Posted 8/20/2006 7:30 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just wondering 2 quck questions....maybe someone will know the answer:

1. Are the models in the comparison California-emissions models, or the othe 49-state models?

2. Was the well-known issue with the restriction exhaust baffle, restrictive airbox, and the partial throttle-stop on the Yamaha WR corrected for the test? (most people I have spoken with remove the exhaust baffle, open the airbox, and remove the throttle stop pin from the carb) fom what I've been told, the WR is a totally different bike power-wise with these 5 minute mods corrected.

Thanks in advance!
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  		   Posted 8/20/2006 7:32 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Woops...I missed the discussion about the exhaust baffle removed above. What about the throttle-stop in the WR? I've personally seen one and the stop blocks about 1/3 of the throttle!! Just wondering...

Thanks.
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  		   Posted 6/13/2007 12:07 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
i think we need to see the 250x and the wr250 in 08. the wr has been seriously changed since 05, and the honda has had lots of refinement. how about another shootout? also i think seeing the ktm xcf-w 250, the suzuki dr-z 250, and the kawasaki klx300r along woth the crf250x, and wr250 would give it some spice...
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  		   Posted 6/13/2007 2:21 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I like your idea luke9, they should do all of the small-bore offraod bikes, not just the new enduro ones. Of course with the dyno numbers and suspension, the DR-Z250 and KLX300R would stand no chance, but they have a few qualities that can make them stand there own.
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  		   Posted 6/16/2007 12:17 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
well, you never kno, suzuki might unveil a brand new DR-Z250 for 08, but i kinda doubt it. its a shame that they havent tried to keep up w/ the others and start a competitive offroad lineup. they have soo mutch potential in thier twin spar frames, i mean, just adding that would make the dr-z a whole new bike. yeah
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  		   Posted 6/18/2007 3:54 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Giving the DRZ liquid cooling, a hotter compression ratio, and an inverted fork would be the best way to go in my opinion. I don't like the offroad bikes that have been converted from MX'rs, because they just don't have the bullet proof design that the original endero bikes have. In my opinion, Suzuki would be smart to just make the DRZ better, and not use a whole new bike.
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