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|  bmadson MCUSA Scribbler

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 1038 | Posted 10/20/2005 8:21 AM (GMT -8) |   | | Duke wandered on up to Minnesota to take a stroll through the Victory factory and take a ride on some 2006 models like the Hammer and Jackpot. Read through the 2006 Victorys Ride & Factory Tour and then let us know what you think. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  jimmihaffa Registered Member

       Date Joined Dec 2004 Total Posts : 217 | Posted 10/20/2005 9:09 AM (GMT -8) |   | Maybe off-topic, but is there even the smallest modicum of chance that Victory will evolve into an American rival for the big Jap 4? They can obviously come close to matching wits with the Motor Co. for some of their signiture bikes. Could they not try their hand at sport bike and standard designs too? I'm a big Kawasaki fan, but I don't see why with sufficient growth, tech development and R & D, that an American firm couldn't step to the plate with leading edge sporting designs. Maybe a Michael Czysz-Victory collaboration could bring to fruition a real alternative to Japanese designs for world-class sporting machinery....call me naive.  | | Back to Top | | |
    |  Kevin Duke Rubber-side Down

       Date Joined Apr 2003 Total Posts : 1521 | Posted 10/21/2005 8:27 AM (GMT -8) |   | | Jay, you sound a bit bitter about the Victory thing. You say they're not building the bike you like, something more classically styled. I'd counter that the only thing not classic on the Vegas is the scalloped tank, which is think is one of the cool and distinctive features on a Victory. In regards to your claims they are impractical and expensive, I'd say the Kingpin Deluxe is very practical - you can do anything on this bike. And Victory's prices still undercut what Harley charges.
Regarding the Touring Cruiser, you can be sure it will be updated within 12 months - the addition of the 100/6 is a no-brainer, and I'd be surprised if they didn't upgrade the chassis at the same time.
In summary, I don't believe Victory "abandoned the base they had built." Clearly, the impressive sales increases don't indicate that. After spending some time with the crew at Victory and seeing their modern facilities, I'm expecting even bigger things to come. Together with its recent acquisition of 24% of KTM (and planned full purchase in less than two years), Polaris (and Victory) is a company to watch.
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  |  Kevin Duke Rubber-side Down

       Date Joined Apr 2003 Total Posts : 1521 | Posted 10/21/2005 11:13 AM (GMT -8) |   | | Well, Jay, it's hard to go wrong with nearly any bike these days. If Victory doesn't currently have exactly what you're looking for, that's okay. I just wanted to remind you that there's plenty more coming from the Victory crew.
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    |  Kevin Duke Rubber-side Down

       Date Joined Apr 2003 Total Posts : 1521 | Posted 10/28/2005 5:05 PM (GMT -8) |   | | You'll find that almost any V-Twin produced by a major OEM has a crossover or collector that links the exhaust gases from both pipes. Without this, it is difficult to produce a linear powerband without a stumble in it. You might not have noticed it before because the crossover is often hidden.
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    |  shyguy344 Registered Member
        Date Joined Sep 2005 Total Posts : 142 | Posted 11/2/2005 5:00 AM (GMT -8) |   | | Thanks, Kevin, for the input. I should probably have explained my selection better, I guess. I am looking for a bike that will be a good long distance ride with ample room and rear suspension to make it a pleasant trip. My current ride is a bit cramped, pushing me quite a bit forward, which obviously, makes the handling a bit more awkward. I know the Nomad has a good passenger space, but my love of BMW's still drives me back to that, with the minor inconvenience of it being a slightly higher bike, and me with my stubby 30" inseam. As I am sure you will agree, this part of the "journey" is half of the fun, anyway. Just the research, etc. and learning about every possible option keeps the blood flowing. Again, keep up the good work. I rarely do much with other sites except read, but you and the others really make me feel welcome and a part of this wonderful experience that we all share called "motorcycling". Thanks again,
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 |  CaddmannQ Random Moto-geek

       Date Joined Jul 2003 Total Posts : 17145 | Posted 11/2/2005 6:25 AM (GMT -8) |   | Thanks for all the props, guys. Since I mostly come here to feed my hungry ego, it's working out well.
Jay Mack: You are so far down on the annoyance meter compared to some folks that I wouldn't lose any sleep ove it.
Kevin: I inderstand about a balance tube or collector being desirable in the exhaust. When I said "real dual exhaust" I simply meant a symetrical arangement with one muffler on each side of the bike. That doesn't preclude the use of a collector, crossover, or balance tube (or in the case of the stock Nomad a huge ugly resonator chamber.  )
It would allow at least 50% more bag volume. Those tiny bags are an insult IMO.
Cadd 2004 Nomad 1500 "Baggins"
VROC #11619 Rolling Blunder #128 | | Back to Top | | |
 |  GeoffG Harley Ninja!

       Date Joined Jun 2003 Total Posts : 9196 | Posted 11/3/2005 9:58 AM (GMT -8) |   | jimmihaffa said... ...an American firm couldn't step to the plate with leading edge sporting designs. Maybe a Michael Czysz-Victory collaboration could bring to fruition a real alternative to Japanese designs for world-class sporting machinery... Sorry, but I just read this, and it seems another North American rider blowing off Buell...I just don't understand. No, they don't have the power of a Big 4 literbike, or even a 600, but they DO have "leading edge sporting designs"--Buell XBs maintain higher average corner speeds than the 600s in FX racing (or at least they did in the 2004 season) and one British moto-mag (Bike) has recently proclaimed the XB12R to be the best cornering bike ever made. If you're riding on public roads with curves in 'em, a Buell is everything you'd want. Europeans seem to realize this (Europe is Buell's largest market, and their press is quite positive about Buells).
As for a Michael Czysz/Victory collaboration, well I'd like to see that too, but I dunno if it will happen...MotoCzysz' product is as yet totally unproven, and I can't see Victory going that route immediately after their purchase of KTM. The Motoczysz is certainly innovative, and I believe it will be a real player in the sportbike market if (and that's a big "if") and when it gets to market, although I somehow doubt it'll be cost competetive...
For the time being, the nice thing about Buells is that they're currently available, affordable, and fun (a LOT of fun) to ride! | | Back to Top | | |
 |  GeoffG Harley Ninja!

       Date Joined Jun 2003 Total Posts : 9196 | Posted 11/3/2005 10:16 AM (GMT -8) |   | Oh, BTW, I liked the article, Kevin. Didn't mean to hijack the thread with my above post...
But I will say that I can certainly understand why any American startup motorcycle company might concentrate on cruisers--that's the market where being American is actually an asset, and where you haven't traditionally had to compete directly with the Big Four (although that's been changing, obviously). | | Back to Top | | |
 |  TC_Victory Registered Member
        Date Joined Oct 2005 Total Posts : 661 | Posted 11/3/2005 10:20 AM (GMT -8) |   | | Ok, I'll make my first post in the site right now. Just finally got everything straightened out to get in thanx to Bart so I'll take advantage and make a few comments on this thread.
My site name is TC_Victory. Reason obvious. I ride a TC Vic with Stage II and Mustang seat and lots of other goodies. In the recent past I've had a Kawi 1500 Classic and Nomad, an Intruder 1400, a Harley Standard and Heritage. If you are looking for lots of room to stretch out on consider checking out the TC Cruiser. There are some great deals out there on 1 and 2 year old bikes. The Mustang seat leaves a huge amount of passenger room. My wife is small and I'm big and I'm more comfortable on the TC than any of my recent bikes. My wife has enough room that it is the first bike she can bring her legs into the bike instead of around my ample butt. I bought an '03 last fall new and the only negative I have is the suspension is stiff and was softened on the '04s and up. I admit it's not the prettiest bike they make, but it's not displeasing to me in the way something like the Rocket 3 or VTX is.
As for the Kingpin, Vegas, Hammer and Jackpot, I've ridden a lot on all of them except the Jackpot. If I rode solo a lot and liked to bar hop ( I do neither ) they'd be great rides. If I was smaller the Kingpin could do the touring job but it's just too small for us. Very similiar to the Intruder 1400 in size, and even tho I rode 30K+ on the 1400, wife and I always were cramped.
Stage I is almost standard on the TC and others that have the 92ci Freedom motor. This gives them very adequate power. The new 100/6 is a winner. I have Stage II in my bike and it pulls the wife and I at about 420#s, 300 mine, and a big load and trailer behind loaded on trips with far more power and torque than I've needed yet. It'll take a big grade at 60mph and roll on to 75 to pass without a downshift.
So, looking for the room you speak of I definitely think you should check out the TC if you have any decent dealers in your area. Being from MN this is not a problem for me since there are several good dealers available to me. Good luck in you quest for the right bike. You're right. Shopping is half the fun. | | Back to Top | | |
  |  Kevin Duke Rubber-side Down

       Date Joined Apr 2003 Total Posts : 1521 | Posted 11/3/2005 7:01 PM (GMT -8) |   | | Good to have your input, TC, and I'm sure several big guys out there can appreciate it. Welcome to the board!
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