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  		   Posted 12/26/2005 1:42 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
2006 Honda CBR1000RR - First Ride. We sent a presedential envoy to Bakerfield California for the introduction of Honda's revised liter bike.

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  		   Posted 12/26/2005 2:37 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
No mention of developments or refinements to Honda's HESD electronic steering damper technology...is that status quo?  Also, I've never heard anyone describe the '05 bike as skittish in any way, so if this bike makes last
year's seem less than confidence inspiring, that would not bode too well for the competition.  redface
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  		   Posted 12/26/2005 5:23 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jimmy,
 
I asked about the HESD steering damper while at the intro. The Honda guys said the damper and electronics were not changed from the previous version. I would have included more of that kind of stuff but Duke was browbeating me for the story being over 4,000 words already.
 
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  		   Posted 12/26/2005 5:41 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
How is Ram Air handled on this model. Its not clear in the pic's. The Fairing does not appear in the photo's to have passages for RAM.

Thanks.
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  		   Posted 12/27/2005 2:52 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
hello one and all. i am a newb to your forums here, but not to your site, just never had a reason to post till now. I don't recall the throttle on/off abruptness being discussed in the article. Can some one fill me in on that? I mean is it better in zero six? thanks
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  		   Posted 12/27/2005 3:24 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Don and Duke are on their way back from Christmas vacation so I'm sure they'll be ready to answer some questions over the next few days so hang in there!

Happy Holidays

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  		   Posted 12/27/2005 6:08 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Rob1 said...
How is Ram Air handled on this model. Its not clear in the pic's. The Fairing does not appear in the photo's to have passages for RAM.

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It's handled the same way it was handled on the previous model.... a single wide-mouthed intake behind and beneath the headlights. THe scoops on the '04 and '05 models were non-functional.
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  		   Posted 12/29/2005 6:40 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I’m new to the site and want to say that I love the bike tests. You guys do a great job. However, I’m baffled by your claim that “The additional power also allowed Honda to add a tooth to the rear sprocket to help improve acceleration without affecting top-speed.”

How does additional power help with gearing the bike down? Adding a tooth to the rear sprocket gears the bike lower, which would help any bike accelerate better. Also, how does lower gearing not affect top speed (I suppose the higher red line would permit a few more MPH, but that has nothing to do with the above quote)?
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  		   Posted 12/29/2005 9:16 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm sure he must be referring to the higher redline allowing the gearing change without sacrificing top speed. Most of the power gains are probably realized in the upper end of the rev range, so technically the extra power does allow the top speed to stay the same... ya I guess the wording might be a little awkward there.
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  		   Posted 12/29/2005 11:49 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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  		   Posted 12/29/2005 12:00 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Don Becklin wrote:

The chassis and suspension changes at first appear slight and made me wonder if I could get close by doing a few garage mods to my ol' Honda. Reduce the swingarm length by taking a link out of the chain. Get the front forks revalved and replace the stock shock with an Ohlins unit. Change the geometry? That might take a slightly more aggressive approach, something like ramming the front tire into a brick wall at moderate speed.

Or, if you want to eliminate the chiropractor bill, raise the forks in the triple clamps .25in. That will give you roughly a .25°/2mm rake/trail reduction.

A superior rider uses superior judgment to avoid problems that would demand his superior skill.

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  		   Posted 12/29/2005 7:33 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Sorry about the late reply guys, things have been crazy around here. Here are some replies to questions posed thus far:

There is certainly throttle abruptness on the 04-05 CBR1000RR's. I cured my personal bike by putting a Dynojet PowerCommander. I actually didn't pay much attention to any possible cure on the new bike because we were on the track instead of the street. On the track you are typically running very high revs where it's harder to decipher. Once we get a chance to test the bike on the street, we'll have some more info.

The bigger rear sprocket does shorten the gearing adding more acceleration and theoretically less top-end if the engine runs out of revs. The truth is that the open class sport bikes are gears fairly for safety reasons so revving the bike out at stock gearing in top gear would require a lot of open space. So yeah, you guys are probably on the right track, Honda geared it shorter for more oomph down low.

Lowering the forks in the triple clamps is a good way to reduce the rake as you suggest. And it could get you in the ballpark of the new bike.

DB

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  		   Posted 12/30/2005 10:08 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
DataDan said...
If you want to eliminate the chiropractor bill, raise the forks in the triple clamps .25in. That will give you roughly a .25°/2mm rake/trail reduction.
Good work, as usual, DD!

-KD, MCUSA Editor

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  		   Posted 12/31/2005 11:36 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Good informative article if not just a bit breathless.
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  		   Posted 1/15/2006 2:54 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This was a great, well written article. But I am trying to buy a new 2006 bike. I am trying to find a good, honest comparisson of the 4 major bikes. I was hoping to have read an article from someone who was not such a Honda fan. I would expect Motorcycle USA to have sent an un-biased journalist to do an actual report on a new bike for readers who are interested in buying, not just a fan. How can you compare bikes that way? What if every new bike out only had seriouse fans testing the bike? Every article would read like this: "this is the most amazing bike, such a huge upgrade from last year. If your wanting a new bike...this is your machine!" We depend on the magazines and reporters to tell us about the bikes we cant all just take out for a test ride. Come on...help us out
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  		   Posted 1/16/2006 8:46 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Dj, our president Don Becklin, the guy who wrote the article, isn't just "a fan." Not only has he taken part in our Superbike Smackdowns (see the Bike Test menu), so he's ridden the competition, he also has placed in the top-20 in an AMA national at Laguna Seca back in his racing days. Since he has more time on the old CBR than anyone else on staff, he was the perfect choice to divine the differences between it and the new one.

The only real way to prove which bike is better than the others is in a comparison test, and we'll be bringing that to you just as soon as we can gather them all together. BTW, I'll be riding the new ZX-10R in a couple of weeks for a First Ride impression.  

-KD, MCUSA Editor

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  		   Posted 1/16/2006 11:46 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Kevin, the post was not meant to be insulting. I am sure he is an amazing ridder. I have just read on three different magazines talking about 3 different bikes as being the best bike of the year...it makes it hard to make a valid choice. I am very eager to see the smackdown. I see now that the article was just an article representing the new Honda, and not the 3 other major bikes. I respect the article, the ridder, and of course the new CBR 1000 RR...thanks again
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  		   Posted 1/16/2006 12:24 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Dj, the truth is that if you rode just one of any of the current crop of literbikes, you'd be very impressed, too. That's why we spend so much effort on our comparison tests.
 
Glad to have you aboard!

-KD, MCUSA Editor

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