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bmadson
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Posted 11/27/2006 9:15 AM (GMT -8)

We invite our pal T-Rod to sample BMW's new Boxer. Without options, it's an elemental roadster; optioned up, it has more gigs than the average laptop. Check out our 2007 BMW R1200R - First Ride and let us know what you think.

1KPerDay
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Posted 11/27/2006 9:25 AM (GMT -8)

Pretty cool. I like BMW's recent trend of less weight and more power. Now if they'd only give the tech-for-tech's-sake a rest.

May all your astronomical perturbations be within a standard deviation of the norm.

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Starting Late
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Posted 11/27/2006 10:58 AM (GMT -8)

I looked at this bike at the dealer a few weeks ago. They had three on the floor, all identically equipped with ABS, Computer, and Heated Grips. Sticker with those options came out $15,135

. No discounts were being offered as this bike is brand new.
Nice bike, but I just cannot get over the price.

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Moto-Pat
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Posted 11/27/2006 11:02 AM (GMT -8)

I'm with you guys on the price. To much for a standard.

Is the Raptor gone? It was based on the same bike.

1KPerDay
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Posted 11/27/2006 3:31 PM (GMT -8)

What Raptor?

Only Raptor I know of (other than the ATV) is the Cagiva, and it wasn't based on any boxer that I knew of...

May all your astronomical perturbations be within a standard deviation of the norm.

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Moto-Pat
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Posted 11/27/2006 6:28 PM (GMT -8)

Okay my bad it's Rockster. But I did ride one once. It was the same bike as the R1150R but with strange dual headlight setup, zebra strips of copper or green and blacked out engine. It is not on the 07 updated web site so it must be gone.

1KPerDay said...
What Raptor?

Only Raptor I know of (other than the ATV) is the Cagiva, and it wasn't based on any boxer that I knew of...

Desmolicious
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Posted 11/27/2006 6:32 PM (GMT -8)

While the price screams "expensive", that massive seam on the gas tank and the huge gap between the tank and the steering yoke screams "cheap". $15K with options? Doooooood, to put it into perspective about how over priced that is, that's the price of the new Ducati 1098!!! Yah, I know different bikes and all, but one is an absolute dream machine in looks, style, performance while the other is umm, a BMW ;)
Kinda like getting a mini-van at a Ferrari price...

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1KPerDay
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Posted 11/28/2006 10:46 AM (GMT -8)

Moto-Pat said...
Okay my bad it's Rockster.

Ah. Yeah, those were cool. The limited-edition white/black one was actually good-looking, too. cool

May all your astronomical perturbations be within a standard deviation of the norm.

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Geoffrey
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Posted 11/28/2006 2:39 PM (GMT -8)

I agree that the price is pretty steep for a standard. And what's up with the $1000 optional saddle bags. I think I'll keep my '96 R.

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Starting Late
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Posted 11/28/2006 6:19 PM (GMT -8)

I don't want to rehash the pricing point TOO much, because there is content in the bike that others don't offer, but to put it in perspective:

at $15.135K, it's more than TWO leftover Honda 919's. I'm sure the bike will sell, and those that buy it will be happy, but I just don't get how it's priced at twice the price of many other standards.

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Evans89
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Posted 11/28/2006 7:29 PM (GMT -8)

I like this bike, but 13-15k is alot of money period. I think bmw is making a mistake here. The 1150r was priced at 10k, which seemed competitive with the japanese bikes, but now it's too much. And thats a shame, I was really interested untill I saw the price.

Whats kawasaki asking for the new z1000? I believe it's under 10 and a new design, same catagory, just for compairason.

jon
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Posted 11/28/2006 9:33 PM (GMT -8)

agree...way too much money for the looks, performance, etc. never like those 'can't split traffic' engine design to begin with...glad to see beemer going with the i-4 on some models now.

Geoffrey
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Posted 11/29/2006 6:17 AM (GMT -8)

BMW's R and K series bikes are priced for influential buyers. The new F series, on the other hand, is priced for the masses.

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Kevin Duke
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Posted 11/29/2006 9:12 AM (GMT -8)

I was wondering when the Beemer bashing would end! This new R1200R is a big step forward in performance over the 1150R. Sure it's spendy, but so is a 3-series Bimmer compared to a Camry. I can't imagine a potential buyer considering the R1200R would even look at a Z1000 - the demographic and psychographic details would be quite different.

I've only so far taken it for a short spin, but I like it. It's cooler than you might expect.

-KD, MotorcycleUSA Editor

Geoffrey
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Posted 11/29/2006 10:24 AM (GMT -8)

Kevin Duke said...

I've only so far taken it for a short spin, but I like it. It's cooler than you might expect.

Does it surge?

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Kevin Duke
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Posted 11/29/2006 1:08 PM (GMT -8)

I haven't noticed any surging. I believe BMW solved that issue when they went to the twin-plug head a couple of years ago. I haven't noticed a surge on any of the R1200s.

-KD, MotorcycleUSA Editor

Desmolicious
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Posted 11/29/2006 1:56 PM (GMT -8)

Kevin Duke said...

Sure it's spendy, but so is a 3-series Bimmer compared to a Camry. I can't imagine a potential buyer considering the R1200R would even look at a Z1000

Big difference. The Bimmer 3 series is so much better than a Camry it's not even funny. Waaay better handling, brakes, ride, fit and finish (have you see how cheap with nasty plastic the new Camry is inside?). I ponied up the $ for my new 330i after checking out the competition and test driving (yah yah the 335 has just come out but I aint buying first year anything! )

But the BMW r1200r will be eaten alive by bikes much less spendy like the Yam FZ1 (which supposedly has had its fueling fixed), which costs anything between $3-$5K LESS than the BMW depending on how much farkling has happened to the Beemer. Arguably, St hyperbikes like the Busa and Zx14 cover the same bases as the R12 (comfy do-it-all bikes) but those are a wee bit quicker for a wee bit less...

Comparing a Camry to my Helga, mumble mumble the horror... ;)

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Geoffrey
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Posted 11/29/2006 2:11 PM (GMT -8)

Glad to hear the new R1200R doesn't surge. Actually, I was just kidding. What isn't funny is the fact that BMW cost reduced their bill of material by removing the servo assisted (EVO) brakes, but raised the bike's price significantly more than the previous R1150R. Is this justified by the 28% power bump? I don't think so.

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Kevin Duke
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Posted 11/29/2006 2:37 PM (GMT -8)

I'm happy it has both the 28% power bump and the non-servo brakes...

-KD, MotorcycleUSA Editor

Desmolicious
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Posted 11/29/2006 4:23 PM (GMT -8)

But could you ever see yourself buying one with your own hard earned money? Or if someone gave you $15K to spend on a bike. Didn't think so...

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Kevin Duke
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Posted 11/29/2006 4:58 PM (GMT -8)

You're right, Desmo, but let's not forget I don't fall into the demographic/psychographic for the R1200R.

I can imagine a fictional guy who, say, had a 1986 Ninja 900 when he was in his late 20s and who now is looking for a versatile runabout like the R1200R to park alongside his 5-series Bimmer, Range Rover and his kid's dirt bikes and PWCs. Is $15K for the Beemer any sillier than 15-30K for a Harley?

-KD, MotorcycleUSA Editor

Desmolicious
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Posted 11/29/2006 6:07 PM (GMT -8)

Good point, but at least for $15k it should look like a quality piece. That gas tank seam is horribly cheap looking. At this price level it's all about the detailing that adds to the perceived quality/value.

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Andy VH
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Posted 11/29/2006 8:51 PM (GMT -8)

I have a 76 BMW R100RS and a 94 R1100RS, and the new R1200R is the first new R from BMW that really has my attention. Less weight, more power, a decent six pseed transmission (not that tractor tranny in my 94), less tech-crap brakes wise (I was not thrilled at all about the previous generation "power" brakes), and good contemporary looks.

But the price? Naa ahh. Since I'd still have to add bags and a windshield/fairing, plus some other goodies, I'll wait a year or two for a low mileage left over. I bought my 94 R1100RS in late October 94 for $10K, with the bags, with a Corbin custom seat, with the tail rack, with the factory tank bag, and only with 3,000 miles on it. That was reasonable to me. Brand new it would have been over $14K in 94.

Yes, there are other bikes out there that will paste it in some respects, for a lot less dollars. But if a LARGE portion of the cycle buying market followed that logic alone, Harley would have withered up and died decades ago. You buy what works for you, what moves you, what fits, and in my case what I have found a lot of joy in for 12 years and 115,000 miles of riding.

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Geoffrey
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Posted 12/1/2006 1:44 PM (GMT -8)

Kevin Duke said...

Is $15K for the Beemer any sillier than 15-30K for a Harley?

Not really. But with a Harley, many are also buying into a lifestyle--the one created by the marketing folks in Milwaukee. This doesn't justify the price of admission, but it sure sells lots of bikes.

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louemc
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Posted 12/1/2006 2:06 PM (GMT -8)

Well, that life style has a lot of rooms in the house. At least one of the rooms only requires a Harley T-shirt, some body ink, and a decal in the rear window and of course talk

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