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  		   Posted 1/8/2007 8:37 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Former AMA SB racer turned MCUSA correspondent, Alex Gobert, turned some laps on Ducati's latest superbike racer. Check out Gobert's 2007 Ducati 1098S - First Ride article and sound off on one of the most anticipated releases of the year.
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  		   Posted 1/8/2007 11:13 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Alex's article on the 1098 seems to echo what is being said elsewhere in the world where they have had a chance to ride this beast - its all its cracked up to be.
 
IMO, this is the bike Ducati wanted/needed to remain viable in the SBK wars. Its got the style and finally the performance to compare to the best Japanese literbikes. I'm happy for Ducati and all those customers who are about to discover what I learned a long time ago - a high-performance twin is the best answer to motorcycle performance.
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Yes, finally (that word needs to be emphasized), the performance to compare (that word needs to be emphasized) to the best Japanese liter bikes.

It's quite a leap to " a high-performance twin is the best (the word best is problematic) answer to motorcycle performance.
Just for starters, it depends on the specifics of where the bike is being used, if that is ignored, then, the statement means nothing. And, things have changed since a long time ago. Learning has to change, to be valid with the present.

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I found the review a bit lacking, sorry. Saying things like most powerful twin ever is not very informative. That's obvious. What peeps want to know is how does it feel compared to the top line Japanese bikes?
p.s. about that winter in the USA comment, well it's 82 in LA January 8...

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Whats your background BullRider? That is to ask/say, if you have pressed to learn and excell, at riding, and want to experience what the top shelf package translates to, then by all means, if you can swing it, go for it. You might find more happyness with it if you switch out the handle bars for real world handle bars and address why the real world has handle bars and closed course tracks have clip-ons. But that aside, if you haven't pushed your riding up until now, you might not reveal what the bike has to offer. But just having it and lovin looking at it is valid too. Hey, people pay that much for art work that doesn't get anything but looks.

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thanks for the report...sounds like the new 1098 should sell better than all of it's preds.
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  		   Posted 1/9/2007 12:04 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Desmolicious said...
I found the review a bit lacking, sorry. Saying things like most powerful twin ever is not very informative. That's obvious. What peeps want to know is how does it feel compared to the top line Japanese bikes?

+1

Yeah, I expected more too.

I've said it before, glad I still love my ol 996. Hope I can hold off getting a 1098 for a year or so.

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lou,
 
As you know very well, 99% of what you read in these forums is writer opinion, not substantiated fact. When I say that the V-twin superbike is the best answer to street performance, that's my opinion, based on over 45 years of street riding, 3 years of WERA and AMA roadracing (on a Ducati, natch) and many demo rides on alternative makes. But it is only my opinion.
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  		   Posted 1/11/2007 4:09 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"The slipper clutch is top of the line"... This bike does not have a slipper clutch.
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  		   Posted 1/11/2007 7:25 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Bill, you're first post and it is a critique? Oh the shame! Next thing I'll find out is you post on the yahoo St site and have a 1098s on order..
;)

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  		   Posted 1/12/2007 9:49 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
wwahl said...
"The slipper clutch is top of the line"... This bike does not have a slipper clutch.
Yikes! A dingo must've got in Gobert's typewriter! Sorry about the misinformation, gang.

-KD, MotorcycleUSA Editor

Post Edited (Kevin Duke) : 1/12/2007 11:49:26 PM GMT

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Yeow !!! Is this true? The 1098 doesn't have a slipper clutch?
Welcome to this site wwahl,  cool

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Desmolicious said...
Bill, you're first post and it is a critique? Oh the shame! Next thing I'll find out is you post on the yahoo St site and have a 1098s on order..
;)

It's a substantive post, however.

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  		   Posted 1/14/2007 4:17 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Looks like the best sportbike to ever come out of Ducati and at a quasi realistic price to boot! Great power, weight and a welcome return to the 916 style and elegance after the 999s look which unfortunately never really grew on me, despite many people telling me it would! I would love to have an opportunity to do some trackdays on one and it'll be fun to see how they do in competition - and how the rules changes shake out...

I can see absolutely no reason to ride one on the road in the USA though, an exercise in discomfort, boredom and frustration (if not - speeding tickets and lost licences!). No doubt the pose factor will convince a few to pony up the entry price to have the classiest Italian model on the arms (read: parked outside the cafe) though. (And thank God for all those guys! They help provide us with insanely capable track machines at reasonable prices)!
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Racer1 said...
Looks like the best sportbike to ever come out of Ducati and at a quasi realistic price to boot!
The MSRP is $14,995 in the USA, which is a great price for such a nice Italian machine. The MSRP here in Canada, however, is $19,995.  What a kick in the nuts! I can forsee many Canadians purchasing American-sold Ducatis. (A co-worker did this several months ago with a 2006 ST3. After the price, taxes, fees, border bullshit, transport, etc, he still managed to spend less than the Canadian MSRP.)

 

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  		   Posted 1/15/2007 9:50 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Engine No. 9 said...
Racer1 said...

Looks like the best sportbike to ever come out of Ducati and at a quasi realistic price to boot!
The MSRP is $14,995 in the USA, which is a great price for such a nice Italian machine.


Yea, it IS a great price for a Ducati - I was comparing to a ZX10 or my own track bike an R6. Both incredible bikes which cost less due to the economies of scale and huge production numbers compared to the Ducs...
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  		   Posted 1/15/2007 10:46 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Why get excited over a $15,000.00 price, on a plain jane Ducati? If a rider is so oblivious to performance in the ride, they can choose plain jane suspension when trick Ohlins can be had from the get go, and not only make the bike be the bike but have the resale value of a model that's desirable, then $15,000.00 is a huge price for nothing real special. ???
The S version that this thread is about is $22,000.00 in America, isn't it?

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  		   Posted 1/15/2007 12:41 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Bill, you're first post and it is a critique? Oh the shame! Next thing I'll find out is you post on the yahoo St site and have a 1098s on order..
;)

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My 1098s will be delivered on February 10th with the full 70 mm Termignoni exhaust system and a 40 tooth rear sprocket, plus other extras. I also have a '02 ST-4s, which I will retain for touring purposes. I am an active poster on the Yahoo ST site. Some of my six years in a row of up to two months per year touring in Europe from a base out of Lugano CH may be seen at www.weathergod.com

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  		   Posted 1/15/2007 12:46 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Cool, Now we can hear from someone that walks the walk (somehow there must be a better term when wheels are involved) smilewinkgrin

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Bill
I'm messing with ya. We have posted a lot on the St site.... I always envy your trips. I, along with Fariborz, have an unnatural prediliction to Olga...
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louemc said...
Why get excited over a $15,000.00 price, on a plain jane Ducati? If a rider is so oblivious to performance in the ride, they can choose plain jane suspension when trick Ohlins can be had from the get go, and not only make the bike be the bike but have the resale value of a model that's desirable, then $15,000.00 is a huge price for nothing real special. ???
The S version that this thread is about is $22,000.00 in America, isn't it?

Until, the plain jane 1098 is tested, we have no idea as to how good the base suspension is.  For all we know, it may be significantly better than stock HYKS stuff. The 1098s is $20K. It comes with lighter wheels, a data acquisition system as well as the Ohlins.
How is an exotic Italian bike that looks like a work of art, is lighter than any of its Japanese rivals and according to Motorcyclist magazine outperforms them nothing real special? If it was nothing real special, then how come the entire motorcyling community (press and public) are frothing over the mouth over this bike?

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Some people froth easier than others?

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Desmolicious said...
How is an exotic Italian bike that looks like a work of art, is lighter than any of its Japanese rivals...
Better wait till we put it on the scales before the 1098 is proclaimed lightest in class. Regardless, it's gonna be a sweet ride, even without the Ohlins.

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I have to be honest, looking at the thing, reading the specs and seeing the price drop from the much lesser (on paper) 999, I'm kinda frothing too... However, it's an intellectual frothing 'cos I'm also sure I would never want to actually OWN one...

Way too track focused for a practical (or even fun) road bike, overkill for canyon carving or even the occasional track day tool (great if you can do 25+ days a year, otherwise, ahhhh - no) and even if you could afford to race one, where can you race a 1098? There is of course the harder to quantify "pride of ownership" thing and if you want one, just because you do, and can easily afford it - why not? None of those apply to me though - It'd be fun to have a blast on one, and I have ridden a fair few Ducs on the track, but for me, esoteric Italian sportsbikes fall into the same catagory as swimming pools, boats and planes as in "Don't get a swimming pool... get a FRIEND with a swimming pool!"
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Some people froth easier than others?


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