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Could you folks use a surprise weekend bike test? Our overseas chums at MCN have delivered another evaluation of European two-wheeled finery with this motorcycle report - the 2008 Aprilia Shiver 750.
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  		   Posted 6/8/2007 3:01 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
So what are the chances of it seeing this side of the pond?
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Way to much Journo speak in the ride report. We will have to wait for riders that can speak freely, on this one.

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Interesting article.  I like that men between 35 and 45 are called young. smile   I think Shiver is a silly name.  Surely those clever and life loving Italians could come up with a better one than that.  It's good to know that Aprilia can build bikes of equal quality with the Japanese, but $11,500 for a stripped 750 is steep.  Comparing an Aprilia to a Ducati is like comparing a Lambo to a Ferrari.  There just isn't any comparison when it comes to buying the wow factor.  A Duc might be worth that kind of money to a Duc fan, but not an Aprilia.  If I wanted to drop $11,500, I would buy a new discounted ZX-14 for about $10,000 and have money left over for fuel, tires, and tickets. 
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  		   Posted 6/9/2007 7:42 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Great look n bike this Shiver....right up there wi th the KTM super moto....love em both!
Tobad cant afford them. Hope the other bike Co. get on the bandwagon ,I think there is a great market for these bikes.
 
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Gagster remember the $11500 figure for the Shiver is just the British price we converted to U.S. dollars. We did the same thing for the Triumph 675 Street Triple and when the official U.S. MSRP was released last month it was about $3000 less than our conversion, so in theory the same could happen with the Shiver.
 
Not sure about when or if we'll see it soon Mr Self Destruct. The Shiver is competing against the Kawasaki Z750, which is a popular seller in Europe, but got pulled from Kawi's 2007 lineup in the States. Don't know if Aprilia will see that as an opportunity or a sign that it's not worth the trouble over here. Once we hear anything we will let our readers know.
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Okay, I never thought I would say that louemc was too EASY on a moto-journalist. But Lou must be in anger management class, because this article was like a parody of motorcycle reviews. Let's see...the bike was "simple and stress-free to ride", it has a "relaxed demeanor", and it is "comfy". Yet the bike is also "a bit like a supermoto". And its a great choice if you want to "stand out from the crowd". These phrases are just moto-babble.

The author says that the bike weighs 417 pounds. He doesn't say whether that is wet weight or dry weight. A Suzuki sv1000S weighs 410 pounds dry. The Shiver should be made of more expensive, lighter materials than the Suzuki; the Suzuki also has a fairing. Perhaps 417 pounds is actually the Shiver's wet weight. It would be helpful to tell us whether that is wet or dry weight.

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  		   Posted 6/9/2007 6:57 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
A 750 that weighs 417 lbs, then the writer says the weight goes away when the bike is in motion (and if there was a shread of truth to that, the race replica's wouldn't be killing themselves to get rid of weight everwhere they can) . When has that been said before? I mean outside of the full boat touring bikes?

When was the last time someone got on a V-Twin with desire for light trim easy handling and said Thank God this Gas tank is a beach ball between my legs, I'll call it solid, a real sign of quality. "Relaxed demeaner"? That's something that happens when you just go easy on the throttle. When that's all the bike can do, it's called a pig. lol

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:p don't think lou's doing anger-mgmt. He finally got a chance to do a 'real' ride on the mountain w/real tires and a focused head. All's well in Louifonrnia again!

louemc said...
...When was the last time someone got on a V-Twin with desire for light trim easy handling and said Thank God this Gas tank is a beach ball between my legs, I'll call it solid, a real sign of quality. "Relaxed demeaner"? That's something that happens when you just go easy on the throttle. When that's all the bike can do, it's called a pig. lol

MCUSA staff: so when you hirin' louemc as your new freelance evaluater/journo?? I like his style!

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I've been trying to find out about the shiver for the past month ! i even wrote to motorcycle usa to see if they heard anything about it or had a chance to ride it. and low and behold a week later i see a artical on here for it. awsome! but for me it was kinda dissapointing to read about it. i had higher expectations about the shiver being that its from aprilia and how great a street fighter the touno 1000 r is i thought the 750 shiver was going to be balls to the walls fun, a new contender in the middle weight street fighter field, but its seems to be pretty mild mannered. and now that triumph is coming out with the new 675 "street" triple that hits the show rooms here at the end of june or early july and is going to be a lot cheaper than the new shiver sl 750. i turned my focus on the triumph! if it has the same narly motor as the mighty daytona and all the other goodies i'll put my money on it instead.
I HOPE TO SEE THE BIKE TEST ON THIS NEW TRIUMPH HERE SOON (HINT HINT)! any plans in the works for testing it soon?
getting back to the shiver i really like the naked look its pretty hot and so is the video on aprilia's website for it.
i guess i was hoping to hear that it was insane fun with finger's getting pulled out of thier socket type of power but over all it seems like a nice ride but more in the catagory of standard street bike rather than naked sprt bike.
and it sounds kinda spendy! all the high tech stuff it has it pretty sweet though (ride by wire being the best).
i wasn't really disappointed about the shiver itself i was just hoping it might be the new bike to beat (performce wise) in the middleweight streetfighter catagory giving the jap bike's a big slap in the face. ( maybe thats what the new triumph 675 street triple will do.....we'll see). 
 
 
 
 
 

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  		   Posted 6/15/2007 9:17 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The reports or more substantual rumors on the street Triumph 675 is, it is neutered, so, if you start now in that expectation, you will be let down more easily when it shows up.

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  		   Posted 6/18/2007 9:24 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
enough of the manufacturers "dry weight" BS...  the only number journalists should report is fully prepped wet weight with full fuel tank
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  		   Posted 6/19/2007 1:01 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
bmadson said...
The Shiver is competing against the Kawasaki Z750, which is a popular seller in Europe, but got pulled from Kawi's 2007 lineup in the States.


Odd thought... if Kawi had brought the Z750 that actually had the styling of the Z1000 that they had in England and Canada... among other fairly close countries... instead of that monstrous styling miscue they tried to sell us here... they probably wouldn't have had near the problems selling them. This bike, however, I have shown to race rep junkies and cruiser addicts, and they've agreed they'd love to get some seat time on... even some of the people on the DML would give up their beloved Monsters for this Aprilia... and that's saying something...
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  		   Posted 6/28/2007 4:35 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Okay, I read the Shiver review in Rider this month.  It is REALLY 417 pounds dry!  Regular readers know that I am usually the guy defending the bike against its detractors.  But in this case....I just can't believe it.  I mean, lots of second-tier sportbikes weigh less than 400 pounds dry.  The bike is supposed to be a teeny tiny naked European bike that will compete with the Ducati monster and the new Speed Triple. Yet an 800cc monster weighs only 381 pounds, and the new Triumph weighs only 368 pounds.  I just can't imagine how it could be so heavy...are the handlebars solid lead??
 
I'm not saying that light weight is the most important trait in a bike for me personally.  But in THIS segment it is essential. It is like, if you were designing a touring cruiser, would you put a two-cycle engine in it??
 
I could see buying the Aprilia over the Triumph if you had a brain tumor. But for people without brain tumors, stick with the Triumph.
 
 

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  		   Posted 7/17/2007 4:19 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I read the review and I think it could be an interesting and cool bike that a skilled rider could have fun on but 417 dry for a 750!?

I am 55, a former Harley rider and currently ride a ZX10, and although I am thinking about not racing after this season, I expect I will do track days to get my speed fix as long as I can still throw a leg over a bike. That being said, I am seriously considering a different kind of ride for the street and I am excited about the HyperMotard and this Shiver thing also looks attractive; but the idea of getting on a bike with half the horsepower I am used to is going to take some mental gymnastics, so the weight as well as performance and handling will play heavy into a selection decision.

What this boils down to is that I am someone who will be in the so called "target market" for such new machinery as I will be looking for something that will rail when I'm in the mood, but also a relatively comfortable commuter. I never commute on my 10 now, just head for the twisties with fellow track riders & change the plastics for track days and race weekends. Most of the guys I know who may be interested in blowing by the younger guys on sport bikes in the twisties with these Motard Types of machines will only commute to work on these, nowhere else, the other time on them will be however much time it takes to lawfully get to the twisties through town(s) then once in the twisties, adios and no accepting invitations to the policeman's ball.

We will be looking for the best performance & handling package and with half the horsepower we will definitely be watching the weight factor. Hopefully Aprilia and anyone else moving into supplying a cool bike for this purpose will consider that there are guys like me who have graduated from cruiser "pigs" to "holy crap, this is a kick in the pants, why didn't I do this sooner" sport-bikers and then to "I need a dedicated track bike but still want to play when the track is closed" and bear in mind we will do a lot of research before throwing any money down.

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  		   Posted 7/28/2007 5:21 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Is the Shiva worth the weight?

 

Well, I’m with the poster who said never to trust manufacturers’ claims. Triumph is notorious for fudging its numbers and the only manufacturer you can trust on weight is Harley and this is only because it couldn’t matter less to a cruiser rider.

 

I hate that most major magazines re-list manufacturers’ claims as though they are real, especially when they have access to high-priced scales. Motorcyclists lists true weights on its “performance data” section (see http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/performancedata/), then quotes claims in its reviews. Talk about coddling!

 

Anyhow, here’s how the new middleweights stack up:

Shiva: 417 (If this is “claimed weight” forget it. I’d imagine it would be 450lbs.)

SV: 429

FZ6: 461

Hornet / 599: 446

 

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  		   Posted 7/28/2007 9:43 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The weight that should be given should be the weight we ride the machine at. That means fully laden, and since we're motorcycle fanatics that ride long distances, fully laden means with full tank of gas. If a manufacturer can make a bike ride-able at it's dry weight, then they should be allowed to use it (and in Japan dry means no fluids, no battery, helium on the tires). Otherwise, manufacturers and motojournos, don't BS us with numbers that make manufacturers look good, but in reality are useless and irrelevant.
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  		   Posted 8/7/2007 7:13 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The problem with wet weight is that bikes like the Ducati 999 or Honda Superhawk, with tiny gas tanks, have a huge advantage. Adding Helium to the tires... well that's just low.

When I first heard of the dry weight of the SL I was worried too, until I did what Fido did and actually compared it to what's out there. The fact is that the over 400 lb weight of the Shiver isn't off the mark. Even if it gets 10-20 lbs on a "real" scale it's still very competitive. The bikes that it is being targeted to compete against are not going to be light weights either. They're more budget oriented, "real world" bikes with sporty characteristics.

For those who could be interested in the Shiver but are disappointed in its performance, I think that you are looking at the wrong bike for your needs. Aprilia already makes a bike with balls to the wall, hang on by your fingertips sport performance with enough ergonomics for commuting - the Tuono. The Shiver is supposed to be more beginner friendly while still providing the oomph to keep more experienced riders happy if they don't need the all out assault of the Tuono. I, personally, am glad to see them bring it. I'll be looking forward to a more sporty and more faired version though. Perhaps something to compete the Ducati's upcoming replacement to the 749.

The thing that strikes me as... odd, about the article is the reference to Aprilia reliability. I'm not sure that this can be safely applied to the new model. Do the mods have any insight into this?
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  		   Posted 8/21/2007 9:10 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
With 3 motorcycles in my garage from Large Tourer; plus Sports Tourer (more sports than tourer) and a cruiser, I'm looking for a nice quallity built Middle Weight to scoot the back roads, & the Aprilia Shiver 750 looks like it
will fill the bill. Any word on when it will arrive in Canada ? ....Mel
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  		   Posted 8/21/2007 10:39 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, we are actually talking about 420-lbs dry for a 130-HP 1200cc bike - which isn't bad. The Piaggio 1200cc engine and the 90-HP 750cc version are the same engine with the 750 simply having a smaller bore/stroke. It's just like the Guzzi Griso 1100 offered as an 850 when it is actually the same engine and same weight. In a land where you can take the MC-test on a 150cc scooter on Monday and legally ride a CBR1000RR off the lot on Tuesday without (in some states) even having insurance having a 750cc version of a 1200 engine, a 850cc version of a 1100 engine, a 400 version of a 500 engine, or restricting a perfectly fine 750cc twin-cylinder engine down to 49-HP doesn't make much sense but these things make sense when your understand EU/UK/etc. licensing, tax, and insurance levels.
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The latest digital edition of Superbike matched the Shiver, Street Triple and Honda 599 Hornet in a head to head. If you don't want to know the result, look away now!

1. Street Triple
2. Honda Hornet
3. Aprilia Shiver

The biggest gripe they had with the Aprilia was the 'ride by wire'. It seems to make the bike almost unrideable on occasions and seems to offer little advantage over a conventional cable. Really, what is the point of it? Anyway, the Triumph was a pretty clear winner though the Honda got lots of praise too.

As usual, if you want your own copy then send me your email addy and I'll send you a digital copy.

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ianisme said...

The biggest gripe they had with the Aprilia was the 'ride by wire'. It seems to make the bike almost unrideable on occasions and seems to offer little advantage over a conventional cable.
 
 
I'm hearing references to the Yamaha 'ride by wire'  coming from track racers as "high side by wire".   Because of those occasions.

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They have two of these over at Hahm Motorsports in Costa Mesa.  I sat on one last night.  They look really cool looking and quite simple - you can practically adjust rear preload with your hand.  The bike feels light in the showroom - I'm surprised to see it weighs 417 dry.  I really want to like it as the Tuono Factory is my "dream bike" but I think that the 696 Ducati will own the Shiver.
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