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  		   Posted 7/2/2007 8:34 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Victory motorcycles readies to unleash its 2008 Victory Vision Street and Tour models in the fall and looks to shake things up in the luxury-touring market. Will Victory be able to steal a little glory from the reigning champ, the Honda Gold Wing, or whittle a share out of the Harley Ultra faithful? Sound off about Victory's latest here in the MCUSA Forum.
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  		   Posted 7/2/2007 9:15 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
'...flipping bitches ... with ease'?  Hmm.  Wonder what was going on there.
 
 
Could it be that the CARB version of the bikes really costs $4,300 more than the 49 stater, or is that a misprint?
 
 
Good review, though.  The first one I've seen and I've been looking.  I get an impression of the bike's feel.  For me, though, I'd prefer the Moto Guzzi Norge I test rode a few weeks ago with, admittedly, a little less storage and fewer features.  Why drag 850 lbs around when you can drag only 550 lbs.  Why the extra heat of a 1736 cc when 1200 could be plenty.  It's all in the gearing, you know. I know the Visions are Luxury Tourers and one expects bigger parts and more electronics, but I don't really need or want them.   
 
I do like Victory, though, and I hope they sell a few. The $19,000 price is about what I'd expect to pay.  I think the Jackpot and Kingpin list for close to that much with far less content.
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  		   Posted 7/2/2007 10:46 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Okay, I confess. I got my CA's mixed up. Californians rest assured, Victory's not sticking it to ya. The difference in price to Golden Staters is a mere $250. The differences in price reflect the cost for the Canadian market. California, Canada, that's what happens to my aging peeps when I try to read fine print.

And yes, Ada Ada, the bike was capable of completing U-turns on rural two-way highways without running off the shoulder or doing a slo-mo lowside. Usually it takes a while to feel comfortable with a bike's center of gravity and handling characteristics, but I felt at home at the controls of the Victory Visions as soon as I boarded the bike. It carries its 850-lbs well.
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  		   Posted 7/2/2007 2:10 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ugliest bikes I've seen in a long time.  Different?  Absolutely?  Ugly?  Absolutely.  I wouldn't be caught dead on one.
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  		   Posted 7/2/2007 2:28 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
BarryG said...
  I wouldn't be caught dead on one.
I'm calling your bluff.

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  		   Posted 7/2/2007 3:07 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
While this aint my bag baby, I can understand why Victory designed it like this. After all if they just built a Harley clone, why not just get the Harley?
Question re. the handling.. I've ridden Harley E-Glides and they all have felt like there was a hinge in the chassis. Is the Victory more solid/stable in sweepers? A nice thumping V-twin with a solid frame would be a nice thing for a full dress tourer.

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  		   Posted 7/2/2007 3:08 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Harley1,

"There's also a list of 60 performance and chrome accessories to further customize the Visions to a rider's style. ..."  Do you have a list of what the 60 accessories are ?

Thanks,

Tim

 

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  		   Posted 7/2/2007 4:30 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've never much been into the baggers or full-lux touring models.  But if I were, and I had twenty large to drop, this would be one to consider.  Finally a touring rig to rival the Goldwing, with design features that aren't carryovers from 1940!

 
It's not old... it's "classic."

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  		   Posted 7/2/2007 5:23 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motorcyclists claim to be freethinkers, but their spending habits belie that claim. Generally if it isn't a sportbike with a full fairing or a traditional cruiser then the American motorcyclist doesn't understand it, and he doesn't WANT to understand it. I say generally because every so often a bike breaks through that initial resistance. Those exceptions include iconic bikes like the Goldwing and the V-Max. But for every bike like the V-Max, there are several models that fail. The Suzuki TL1000 and the Honda Pacific Coast were both huge flops.

So Victory has really made a gutsy move here. They are intentionally challenging consumers' preconceptions. I don't know what will happen but it will be interesting.

As for the bike itself, I have no interest in large touring bikes. So I really can't say whether I would prefer a Vision, a Goldwing, or an Ultra Glide. Clearly the Wing is the fastest of the three bikes.

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  		   Posted 7/2/2007 6:24 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
my goodness. these are supposed to be motorcycles. pretty soon they will have windshield wipers and a roof for weather protection along with climate control.... and a couple extra wheels to help slow speed manuvers. wait a minute, i think detroit is already making some.
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  		   Posted 7/2/2007 7:38 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
great idea 2tymr!

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  		   Posted 7/3/2007 6:08 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Thanks for the article. I have been waiting for some ride reviews. When I first saw it I  wasn't too hot for it, but is has grown on me the more I see them. My wife straight off didn't like it.

I like the features I've read about here and hope that Victory has great success with the bike against the Honda and BMW tourer's (btw, BMW has some odd styling touring bikes that in my mind fit more in the "ugly" catagory then these do). Why not Harley? Because agree or not a Harley is an icon and in a completely different catagory (not better, not worse) then this bike.

Not sure if I'll buy one, as someone said that's a lot of bike to just ride around on, of course, that's why you MUST have multiple bikes.......lol

I rode the previous generation Goldwing and don't like the tiller type of bars and look and think the Vision may fall into the same catagory.

I need to see one in person and get a test ride before I'll truly be able to pass judgement. I give Victory a lot of respect for coming up with this bike and not just coming out with another clone.

Will

 

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  		   Posted 7/3/2007 6:35 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Regarding the pricing, if I may, the Vision Street is $18,999.99. Let's call it $19,000. The Tour is $20,000, I believe?

Now, a Jackpot and a Kingpin are $18,000 and $17,000, respectively, if I'm not mistaken. What I don't get is how all the extra content comes on the Vision without more than $1,000 extra cost. The content I'm talking about includes ABS, hard luggage, cruise control, GPS, sound system (big sound system, MP3, Compact Disc, AM/FM Stereo, intercom), monster fairing, recent design, seats, suspensiion upgrade and much, much more. Much more than the $1,000 price difference. Probably $4,500 more content.

So, since VIctory isn't giving the Vision away at cost, the pricing begs the question: 'Why are the Jackpot and Kingpin soooo overpriced?
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  		   Posted 7/3/2007 7:48 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Desmo - The chassis was solid through the turns. I'm a good-sized man, and even though the chassis is composed of three main castings , I didn't notice any such hinge in the Vision's ride. Its performance in the curves of the southern Minnesotan hills made we wish for bigger mountains and more turns to test it out on. (I'd love to try one out around home, the Cascade and Siskiyou ranges of Southern Oregon) The bike's geometry and ergos made it easy to flow through the corners.

Tim - Though I don't have an itemized listing of available accessories, I have a list of a few of the options. There's chrome bodywork, like the trim around the engine opening, passenger floorboards, highway pegs, and the access panel below the windshield. Victory offers a couple of slip-on performance exhausts, one that replaces the entire stock exhaust and one that only replaces the internals. Tail gunner exhaust tips are also offered. There's billet wheels, four different styles of windshields, passenger backrests for the Vision Street, and risers for the passenger footrests.

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  		   Posted 7/3/2007 8:20 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Interesting looking bike.. The front end is way to large and is out of proportion with the nicely done rear.. Comic book looking..Nice Review

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  		   Posted 7/3/2007 10:05 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The engineering and detail of this motorcycle appear to be superb.  I'm not sure though that the buying public is prepared to make styling concessions for the sake of practicality and safety.  The Vision's front turn signals belong on a bus not a motorcycle.  Will be interesting to see how many buyers choose this machine over a Road or Electra Glide.
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  		   Posted 7/3/2007 10:56 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This is a strange anomaly of parts: The front looks like a sports bike, the middle seems to based on the other popular tourers (Gold Wing and BMW), the rear seems to be styled like an Arlen Ness bike. But besides that, how does it holdup in heavy traffic, such as in Southern California stuck in stop-n-go situations? You know...real-world riding? The fact that it is such as heavy motorcycle, and that it is air-cooled is a big mistake. Victory had an excellent opportunity to move into liquid-cooled, and do it with little customer resistance as the front of the Vision is shrouded to begin with. Victory gets high marks for taking risks, but this risk would have paid-out better if the Vision were liquid-cooled.
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  		   Posted 7/3/2007 1:02 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Uh, California? Stuck? Stop and Go? Are we talking full bagger touring bike used for everyday commute work?

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  		   Posted 7/3/2007 1:35 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
louemc said...
Uh, California? Stuck? Stop and Go? Are we talking full bagger touring bike used for everyday commute work?

 
 
Mebbe....;-)
 
He does have a point though, where we live, if we want to go away for a weekend and can't get through the city before Friday evening "rush hour", (and there's a misnomer if ever there was one!), it can take 1 - 2hrs of crawling in stop-start heavy traffic to get clear. Last trip we were in crawling traffic for almost 100 miles! Got past mostly by using the cycle lane next to the highway, (Oops! Sorry Officer, thought that was a motorcycle symbol...LOL!!!I think the two cops who spotted us figured we may as well use it as we weren't going fast and they ignored us?), We managed to average about 20mph that way! I was glad the C50T is liquid-cooled, that day!yeah

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  		   Posted 7/3/2007 1:43 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
How can you live that way, EdbearNZ?

I am the foremost expert on my opinion.

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louemc said...
Uh, California? Stuck? Stop and Go? Are we talking full bagger touring bike used for everyday commute work?

Many California riders ride full-dressed baggers or touring bikes; I thought as an enthusiast it did not matter what you rode, how you rode, or where you rode? Am I missing something here? I just sold my GL1800A that even with liquid-cooling darn near scalded you with heat when had to sit for any length of time—I cannot see the Vision being any better—actually it will probably be worse. When you ride a shrouded bike like these there is no air movement when you are sitting in traffic (unless you have a good breeze provided by nature). I have owned American, British, German, and Japanese motorcycles; I have no preference for any one brand or model. The motorcycle I am currently interested in is the new Kawasaki Concours 14 to replace my Wing. The Vision did pique my curiosity, but the lack of liquid-cooling squashed it.
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  		   Posted 7/3/2007 2:55 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
When I'm commuting, I choose a bike that is the best tool for the job. When I'm touring, I choose the best tool for the job. When I'm day riding I choose the best tool for the job. These are all different jobs. I've seen footage of lane splitting where the space was huge, a full boat Gold wing wouldn't be squeezed any more than any bike. I have to think what I found in the San Francisco Bay area would be more likely to be found in lane split space, and, threading across lanes to exit, or when getting on, threading across lanes to get to the lane splitting between the first and second lane (or HOV lane), though. For that, a Buell or BMW 650 City Sport would be top choice, and anything narrow, agile, quick, serious brakes, could be second choice. Bagger touring bike, no Way, even cops have a struggle and they have lights and siren and ticket book to help them out.

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louemc said...
When I'm commuting, I choose a bike that is the best tool for the job. When I'm touring, I choose the best tool for the job. When I'm day riding I choose the best tool for the job. These are all different jobs. I've seen footage of lane splitting where the space was huge, a full boat Gold wing wouldn't be squeezed any more than any bike. I have to think what I found in the San Francisco Bay area would be more likely to be found in lane split space, and, threading across lanes to exit, or when getting on, threading across lanes to get to the lane splitting between the first and second lane (or HOV lane), though. For that, a Buell or BMW 650 City Sport would be top choice, and anything narrow, agile, quick, serious brakes, could be second choice. Bagger touring bike, no Way, even cops have a struggle and they have lights and siren and ticket book to help them out.

I am mixed on lane splitting as most riders in California do not follow the law on it. Watched a Gold Wing, with passenger, split and then hook a saddlebag on the front bumper of a semi. He, and his passenger went down, but not after doing donuts—in front of the semi as he full-throttled it on the way down, and just held it until he finally figured out what he was doing wrong. In San Francisco, a scooter would work well for me. Having fun on two wheels does not mean it has to be big. My best preference in San Francisco is still walking, or taking a cab as parking in downtown San Francisco sucks.
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  		   Posted 7/3/2007 6:12 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I will take the Gold Wing splitting and hooking a saddlebag on a big rigs front bumper as support for my "bagger touring bike, No Way" statement :-)

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OhioSteve said...
How can you live that way, EdbearNZ?

LOL!!! We usually time it better! The traffic in our main cities is getting really bad, with bad accidents and poor roading. The Auckland harbour bridge, (Firs two pics), is crucial to the city and a while ago a truck dropped a can of paint. Shut  the city down for 6hrs!!!! Hate to think what a bad accident on it would do!!
 
Too many morons who can't drive and too many vehicles for the roads in and around the city. An average of 30 additional cars per day! Over 10,000 more on the same roads, every year! Poor public transport doesn't help and city councils who can never agree on solution!
 
Away from State Highway 1 and away from the main centres, NZ is sparsely populated and has fantastic roads for biking. A beautiful country the size of England or Japan with only 4.5m people! Just that 1.2m of us live in and around Auckland...  Here's a couple or three pics of typical NZ.
 
Sorry to go off topic...eyes

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