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bmadson
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Posted 8/27/2007 1:11 PM (GMT -8)

Abandoned by the premier road racing series, we pit the Suzuki GSX-R750 versus the Triumph Daytona 675 in a head-to-head battle we're billing as the Exiles Comparo. Check out MotorcycleUSA's 2007 Suzuki GSX-R750 vs Triumph Daytona 675 and, as always, sound off here in the forum.

Desmolicious
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Posted 8/27/2007 1:34 PM (GMT -8)

Nice work Triumph! No wonder the HYKS don't want 'er included in group tests.
Still think the Zook rocks.
Street Triple sounds to be the one.

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sands
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Posted 8/27/2007 2:24 PM (GMT -8)

The video was a huge improvement over the superbike smackdown...Nice work!

jon
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Posted 8/27/2007 2:58 PM (GMT -8)

nice report...i thought the gixxer might be a little lighter and the 675 might put out a little more power but sounds like both bikes are solid.

ccrider
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Posted 8/27/2007 3:36 PM (GMT -8)

I owned a Daytona 675 for about 4 months and put around 2000 miles on it. The report is right on target. The engine, handling and style are fantastic but after a couple of hours, the discomfort level overides all that (at least it did for me). The seat was hard, the riding position quickly became very uncomfortable and the heat from the pipes led to rumproast in stop & go traffic. I considered Helibars & an aftermarket seat but decided ths would only be a partial fix. I have looked at the GSX-R 750 as all around bike but I would still like to ride one for a while to make up my mind. ;-)

NinjaForLife
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Posted 8/27/2007 3:48 PM (GMT -8)

On pg. 1 you say, "...welcome to our inaugural Exiles Comparo..." However, I ask you, why did you fail to give any attention to Kawasaki's "exile?" Tell me, were the Gixxer 750 and the Daytona 675 ever accused of being "cheaters." The 636 was a simple flick of the finger to the other members of the Big 4. From 2002-2006, not Honda, not Yamaha, and not Suzuki had the balls to compete against it with a "cheater" of their own. Don't forget that the ZX-6R (636 version) is Kawasaki's best-selling supersport.

I know none of these neglections were done on purpose, but you add insult to injury by saying this, "Last year the Triumph enjoyed a displacement advantage which left the competition feeling a bit slighted when the results came in." Ahem... look at the chart, man! A smaller bike was faster! The 636 smoked the Daytona 675 in the 0-140 mph, and every other bike in last year's test. A true testament of power. Furthermore, it was the only bike in the test capable of beating the 675 to the 1/4 mile.

Don't bother apologizing, it's already too late, I know. But I believe Kawasaki should get some credit for thinking OUTSIDE THE BOX, and bringing to my garage a one-of-a-kind, kickass supersport. The 636 was discontinued this year, as we all know, and the bike that replaced it was a step backward in my humble opinion.

Lastly, I did enjoy the article, as always. I just could have enjoyed it MUCH more, cause we all know the 636 would have bruised the 675 again, at least in the straights, and put up one hell of a fight against the 114cc bigger gixxer 750. Not bad for the smallest engine of the three.

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Desmolicious
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Posted 8/27/2007 5:22 PM (GMT -8)

Ninja4life, mo-usa is, as the name suggests, based in the USA. For 2007 Kawasaki does not offer the 636 motor in any of their bikes in the USA. Which is why it is not included in the test.

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NinjaForLife
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Posted 8/27/2007 5:38 PM (GMT -8)

Desmolicious said...
Ninja4life, mo-usa is, as the name suggests, based in the USA. For 2007 Kawasaki does not offer the 636 motor in any of their bikes in the USA. Which is why it is not included in the test

Regardless of not being included in the test, some statments made in the article were simply incorrect. I was also dishing out credit where it needed to be dished out.

"A potent machine with its 675cc Triple, the Triumph Daytona 675 blew away the supersport field in 2006 tests...," yeah, right. in what, "character?"

Dr. Bombay
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Posted 8/27/2007 7:29 PM (GMT -8)

Uh, you're forgetting that the 675 is a triple and not a 4-cylinder. Most people don't consider it a cheater because, while it's got more displacement, it has one less cylinder. The 636 is a true "cheater," although I really don't give a rat's ass and commend Kawasaki for making it. Engine displacement alone is a totally arbitrary measure. The 675 flows about the same amount of air as a 600cc four.

It's not that the 675 makes more top-end power than the other bikes, it makes more throughout a larger portion of the rev range.

And the reason why MC-USA claims that the 675 blew away the competition has as much to do with the complete package as engine power. If you noticed, the 675 won just about every major supersport test in the world last year--and many said it wasn't even close.

Go ride one and then come back and tell us you're not impressed.

jon
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Posted 8/27/2007 9:35 PM (GMT -8)

ehhh, given the closeness of the specs and prices of these 600 ss, i'll read reviews/tests every now and then but i don't really care which bike wins in this or that comparo or that most testers/reviewers like this bike or that bike and not this one or that one for what ever reason(s)...opinions vary so i would take it with a grain of salt and still get the bike i like best based on my own opinion and feel even if it finish last in all magazine or internet tests/reviews or opinions of others. any of these bikes will have more than enough to offer on any public roadways. bottom line is, it's just difference in opinions so don't get too work up over it.

kavenger
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Posted 8/27/2007 9:45 PM (GMT -8)

Excellent article. Interesting comparo...Fun read.. My 01 Ninja Zx-6R is getting gray hair, the racer boy graphics didn't age well, and worst of all cruiser riders don't fear her at stop lights anymore. ;) So I am looking to upgrade this year. Never had a V-Twin, so the new Buell 1125 appeals to me. But being burned with brand new models and unproven reliability before, I don't think I'll be the first to bite. A 750 or 675 sounds like a nice step up. A liter bike is way more than I need. I keep thinking now that MotoGP bikes are 800 cc that maybe the 750-800 cc range will make a comeback. Mladin said the 750 was his favorite bike to ride. I like the sound of the triple a friend has the big old Daytona but the riding position of the 675 scares me off. Until Kawasaki comes out with a new ZX-7R or 8R or Yamaha brings out a R-7 or 8 etc. Suzuki is the only game in down. Nice Job guys.

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Post Edited (kavenger) : 8/28/2007 5:48:37 AM GMT

Kenny
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Posted 8/27/2007 10:26 PM (GMT -8)

I'm glad you guys like the test. I know we liked putting it together as much as any test we've done. In the end our goal is not necessarily to tell you which bike to get but to offer up as much useful info as we possibly can in order to help someone make the tough decision - or at least an more informed decision. The video, dyno, photos, its all for you. Except Ninja4life...its not for him because he's such a green meanie head.

First of all the 636 is a bad ass bike. If you dont belive we feel that way then look at Superpsort Smackdown '05 for proof of its virtual goodness. However, look at the 06 test and prepare to weep as the mighty ZX is ursurped by the tenacious triple in a head-to-head comparo even though it did beat it in a heads up drag race - fortunately there are more to these bikes than straight line acceleration though, or these tests wold be very short. I am glad to see you like the graph though - thats why they are there. But, we couldnt resurrect the dead for this test my friends - only the strong deserve the right to be called exiles. The 636 you see, is extinct.

Glad you liked the videos as well. Everyone worked hard on it.

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paulmoran
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Posted 8/28/2007 12:12 AM (GMT -8)

Hey all,

Great review (as always) ...one prob tho'

I cant get the videos to work; Im running Vista Home Premium, Got WMP v10.X installed and got DivX too ...am i missing something??

When i click on the links WMP just tells me that the formet is not support like a was missing a codec or something ?

I dont wanna miss out on these vids ...please help ... [insert 'Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi...you're my only hope, Gag :) ]

thanks all
paul

NinjaForLife
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Posted 8/28/2007 12:53 AM (GMT -8)

Kenny said...

The 636 you see, is extinct.

Yet, it still manages to roam the streets, feeding upon other sportbike owners that believed what they read...a little too much.

Also, good job on failing to directly confront any of my accusations that statements from your article were INCORRECT.

For example, in my first post I quoted you saying, "Last year the Triumph enjoyed a displacement advantage which left the competition feeling a bit slighted when the results came in."

To which I replied, "Ahem... look at the chart, man! A smaller bike was faster!"

Do you not know your own data?

You just posted this, "The video, dyno, photos, its all for you. Except Ninja4life...its not for him because he's such a green meanie head." Wow, that surprises me because it's obvious that I'm only basing the FACTS off YOUR own graphs. Hell, I posted one of YOUR graphs in my first post to help prove my point that you were WRONG. You know, calling me a meanie when I base my opinion off of YOUR very own data, is sorta self-insulting, isn't it?

Post Edited (NinjaForLife) : 8/28/2007 9:11:37 AM GMT

Engine No. 9
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Posted 8/28/2007 3:30 AM (GMT -8)

paulmoran said...
Hey all,

Great review (as always) ...one prob tho'

I cant get the videos to work; Im running Vista Home Premium, Got WMP v10.X installed and got DivX too ...am i missing something??

When i click on the links WMP just tells me that the formet is not support like a was missing a codec or something ?

I dont wanna miss out on these vids ...please help ... [insert 'Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi...you're my only hope, Gag :) ]

thanks all
paul

Try running an update if you can, if that doesn't work, try reinstalling the media player. One of the guys who runs the site may be able to tell you which specific codec you need to play the video.

Engine No. 9
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Posted 8/28/2007 3:57 AM (GMT -8)

If you think the true measure of how fast a supersport bike is can be based solely on its quarter-mile times, you should hang up your leathers right now and buy a VMAX. (not that there's anything wrong with that)

In the 2006 supersport shootout, it was stated that the Triumph got the testers around the track the fastest. If you were to race with a buddy who beats you around a track, will you still argue that you're faster because you accelerated faster for the first 1300 feet of the race before getting spanked?

Moto-Pat
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Posted 8/28/2007 5:39 AM (GMT -8)

Thank you, I enjoyed as always. When you guys left the 675 out of the Supersport test for 07 you promised a head to head with the RR which won. How's that coming along anyway?

ianisme
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Posted 8/28/2007 6:01 AM (GMT -8)

For paulmoran. WMP is a piece of crap, especially for playing videos. Do yourself a huge favour and download VLC media player for free at www.videolan.org. When installing make it the default player for all video files and you will never have another codec issue again.

As for this test, what a brilliant concept. Awesome job Kenny; you guys outdid yourselves picking this pair. I was quite surprised by the result though I have to say, if it were my money, I would take the Street Triple over it's Daytona brother.

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dgover
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Posted 8/28/2007 8:06 AM (GMT -8)

The narrator on the street video states that the 750 needs to be rev'ed higher to make the same power as the 675, which based on the HP and Torque curves is simply not correct. At no RPM on either curve does the 750's line dip below the 675. So the narrator aught to clarify whether he's stating fact or impression or if he's refering to rate of accelleration.

Anyways - good comparison but I disagree with your results. Even the the British selected the 750 over the 675 in their comparison last year. Of course I'm biased since I have '06 GSXR-750!

GAJ
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Posted 8/28/2007 9:24 AM (GMT -8)

Despite being a Brit, I still wouldn't buy a bike that roasts my ass.

What is the basic logic behind underseat exhausts anyway?

The concept is lost on me.

NinjaForLife
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Posted 8/28/2007 9:51 AM (GMT -8)

Engine No. 9 said...
If you think the true measure of how fast a supersport bike is can be based solely on its quarter-mile times, you should hang up your leathers right now and buy a VMAX. (not that there's anything wrong with that)

In the 2006 supersport shootout, it was stated that the Triumph got the testers around the track the fastest. If you were to race with a buddy who beats you around a track, will you still argue that you're faster because you accelerated faster for the first 1300 feet of the race before getting spanked?

If you think that was even close to my point, you need to hang up your leathers and buy a book. Preferably, Learning to Grasp a Concept.

Post Edited (NinjaForLife) : 8/28/2007 5:54:58 PM GMT

ianisme
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Posted 8/28/2007 10:51 AM (GMT -8)

So what was your point Ninja? All I see is you waffling on about the speed of the Kwak and it's quarter mile times. Nobody ever said it was slow, but why else do you think it is superior to these bikes? You sound like a spoiled kid when you spout off like that, and why you think Bart, Kenny or anybody else owes YOU an apology I don't know. Perhaps you would like to tell us all about the size of your wotsit next?

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NinjaForLife
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Posted 8/28/2007 2:05 PM (GMT -8)

ianisme said...
So what was your point Ninja? All I see is you waffling on about the speed of the Kwak and it's quarter mile times. Nobody ever said it was slow, but why else do you think it is superior to these bikes? You sound like a spoiled kid when you spout off like that, and why you think Bart, Kenny or anybody else owes YOU an apology I don't know. Perhaps you would like to tell us all about the size of your wotsit next?

The fact that you need to insult me to make your point, just proves I'm right. That is always the sign of a weak argument. I'm not here to cause problems. A few key points made in the article were simply incorrect, and I shined light on them. So far, nobody from the MotorcycleUSA.com crew has had the decency to acknowledge that.

But whatever, it's all good.

Desmolicious
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Posted 8/28/2007 2:13 PM (GMT -8)

Ninja4life, you should chill. Enjoy the test and don't harsh on its mellow vibe. It's cute you like your bike so much.

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ccrider
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Posted 8/28/2007 2:31 PM (GMT -8)

I'm with the Brit. The 675 roast your ass in stop & go traffic. It's not as bad with leathers but textiles is almost unbearable. My VFR has the pipe in the same place & I've never felt any excessive heat. Folks on the 675 net have tried everything from wrapping the pipe to having them ceramic coated but nothing seems to help. Triumph won't even acknowlege that its a problem. For track work , it doesn't matter but on the street, I can do without butt burn. rolleyes

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