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  		   Posted 11/12/2007 11:13 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motorcycle USA recently spent the day at the Orange County Choppers' shop in Montgomery, NY, and got a crack at maurading around the Hudson Valley on the four new production bikes created by the Teutul clan. Read the First Ride article and get your two cents in here.
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  		   Posted 11/12/2007 12:05 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ya know, I've been waiting to read your review of the Yam Raider for a while now. It's up on a bunch of other websites and quite frankly I would find that far more interesting to read than these trailer queens.
The Raider is even on dealerships' floors as we speak! A little tough love here, but it doesn't look too good when other sites from the latimes to (fill in the blank) beat you to a review by weeks...

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  		   Posted 11/12/2007 1:34 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As usual I agree with Desmo...despite his silly moustache and funny hat.

If you gave me an OCC bike I'd trade it in a heartbeat.
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  		   Posted 11/12/2007 2:35 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just as long as you don't talk about my eyebrows.

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  		   Posted 11/12/2007 11:46 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You guys have brain damage. You'd toss a OCC for a Raider. Know I now what we are dealing with here and it aint too pretty. The Raider review is coming but we thought a break from the tests every other site has would be welcomed but instead we get a buch a candy-ass whine bags griping about what we dont have rather than what we do have. Lame! Oh well...

Fire it up Holmes!

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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 5:56 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Kenny said...
You guys have brain damage. You'd toss a OCC for a Raider. Know I now what we are dealing with here and it aint too pretty. The Rader review is coming but we thought a break from the tests every other site has would be welcomed but instead we get a buch a candy-ass whine bags griping about what we dont have rather than what we do have. Lame! Oh well...


Who cares about these blinged up poser bikes? You folks may have had your fun and this is great but building up the OCC "production" machines should be left to American Iron and the folks that would rather trash talk than ride. I, like Desmo and others, would much rather read a quality review relative to a real world bike. Whine bags? What you have is an article that is totally lacking in any real world information. It is however well suited to the poser looking to dump some cash on a bike that probably wouldn't get from sea to shining sea without having a problem. What you don't have is an article on the Raider and yeah, there are a number of us that would sell that OCC garbage for a Rocker or Raider in a heartbeat.
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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 6:32 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Kenny,

Most custom bikes are a joke when it comes to actually riding them. Moreover, 95% of us can't afford them. The Raider is a supremely rideable bike with a lot to offer at a very reasonable price. I think you folks have the best motorcycle site on the Internet, but if you consider your audience and what they want, you missed the boat here, then had the nerve to chew us out for your transgression. Me thinks you are over worked. Get a good eight hours sleep, take a sweet ride on your favorite mount, then come back refreshed, stop with the hostility, and give your constituency what you know they want. I wanna ride an OCC chopper about as much as I want to ride a bicycle with a bitchy, burrito eating, burping, gas passing, fat bottomed girl in front of me. I'm thinkin' most here feel the same way. Cheers, Jack


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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 6:33 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
See Kenny, I look at your avatar and I see a bloke getting it on (probably on a track) with a sports bike. Then I look at the video of the test of something that looks like a 2 wheel truck struggling to make it around a hairpin bend, at a little over walking pace, with everything scraping the asphalt and I wonder if you even like these bikes? What good would an OCC chopper be around the roads in your nek of the woods? Apart from I5, there's nowhere you would want to ride it I suspect. So well done on being diverse, but I would swap one in a heartbeat for anything that can corner.

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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 8:43 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Come on, group hug everybody...

Okay, we get it, OCC bikes aren't everyone's cup of tea. But come on, you can't deny that the Teutel clan churning out their first production line isn't a noteworthy motorcycling story - whether you like it or not.

The Star Raider test is coming, along with the '08 Yamaha R6 first ride and a 250 MX comparo and a six-bike Super Sport-Touring shootout, and a bunch of other stuff I can't remember off the top of my head... Patience my pets, patience.
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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 10:20 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
After all...nothing like a good "we had to push the bike because of fuel delivery issues" story.

That IS new to any moto review I've read.
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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 10:24 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Man, can't believe the hostility at a custom chopper article (so Kenny slapped you in the back of the head- you should be wearing helmets anyway).  I'm pretty much a sport bike and dirt bike guy too but I sure don't mind reading an article on occasion about cruisers and every once in awhile about custom choppers.  I mean this site is motorcycleusa.com not ujmsportbikeshootout.com.  It’s not like there is big sport bike news right now we’re missing out on.  Frankly, I'd be unimpressed if there wasn't an article about OCC venturing into production bikes.  That is pretty big news in the motorcycle world and the fact that we have a nice write up on it and even ride reviews with pics and video is pretty good stuff.  I still find the Teutel's entertaining and a likable bunch of guys (I’ve only seen the show probably five times so it’s kinda fresh to me).  Hey, they are characters and love motorcycles.  I can identify with that even if they aren't making sport bikes.  The argument about xx% of the people not being able to afford one is a double edge sword.  I've seen a lot of articles on souped up race ready sport bikes on MUSA that can be had for the price of a black market baby and didn't hear that being said (only if it was a Ducati- haters).  It’s always “man, if I had the cash…”.  No more articles on those?  Sometimes it’s just a good read for the entertainment factor.  Who cares if you can buy it or not?  I wouldn't want or buy a raked out chopper either but would give one a ride if someone offered (god forbid I drop the thing- good tip on the front brake).  But I'll take the Greenie bobber to go ride around on and have some fun any day.  That is one cool looking bike.

Hey, watch this...

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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 11:55 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Pretty simple really for when I see anything like a chopper & remember I have been seeing attempts to produce choppers back in the early 50s while I was taking Brit street irons & modifying them with road racing tricks to be what later on was called 'Cafe Racers' by the Brits.  So if it is ANOTHER chopper then I simply skip it, but this thread did get to me when Desmo & GAJ to even others, raised their voices about ANOTHER chopper VS a new factory bike already on the floor in some places-----that is why I backed them. 

Remember all the others on the road are crazy & out to kill you.

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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 12:04 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
TheWall67, the issue here isn't whether the bike is affordable and that we're mad at this review cuz it's a bike out of our price range, but that the bike is a POS as a motorcycle and great as a garage queen. The majority of readers on this site are interested in all sorts of bikes, but we like the idea of bikes that are also functional. There are so many cool, functional bikes out there that have yet to be tested, and that many are waiting for to be tested, that it seems like a waste of time reviewing pretty sculpture that works choosing form over function. Hey, when the supply of 'normal' bikes to review dries up, then by all means throw in the occasional 'custom' review.
Real nice that Kenny calls us 'whine bags'. Maybe he should be concerned that pretty much every other moto website has reviews up of 'mainstream' bikes that mo-usa hasn't tested yet.

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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 12:37 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Truly, as Desmo and I both live in California we would appreciate the use of the term "wine bags" in future when being dressed down by the Moto-Masters.

If you wanna do a "chopper" test, pit a Victory against an HD.

That would be interesting.
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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 1:14 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Your Victory vs HD suggestion is already in the works GAJ.
 
Geez guys, try and relax. Neither Ken or any of us MCUSA staffer's taunts are to be taken personal. Try that "serenity now" thing, it's just one article...
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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 2:36 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Too late Madson! Like Jaws VIII (or sumfink), this time, it's personal!

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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 3:13 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You know, Kenny (and all testers and editors), your job is tough. You will never satisfy everyone 100% even if you do a perfect report. As objective as the reports can be, motorcycles are still a matter of ..... flavor.

You can measure the hp, torque, braking distance, mpg and all the geometries. Yet, deciding "the best" or "a prefered" bike is still a matter of flavor. It is like we can measure the vitamin c level of orange, grape, and apple, but which one tastes the best is still a matter of preference.

If I were you, I'd probably try to disengage from internet kung-fu and just don't respond to negative comments too personally. It might be a good idea to jump from the dark side to the bright side and see how people respond to reports and try to capture the majority readers' taste somewhat. There will always be some oddball comments, but it is good as long as all the major things are tackled.
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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 3:19 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Desmolicious said...
The majority of readers on this site are interested in all sorts of bikes, but we like the idea of bikes that are also functional. There are so many cool, functional bikes out there that have yet to be tested, and that many are waiting for to be tested, that it seems like a waste of time reviewing pretty sculpture that works choosing form over function. Hey, when the supply of 'normal' bikes to review dries up, then by all means throw in the occasional 'custom' review.


We have to remember that this website is free and we need to honor its survival from sponsors' supports ;-).

Some messages need to be delivered. Well, since when is automotive journalism neutral? It is either more biased or less biased.
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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 3:48 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What media wants is engagement; we're engaged.

They get compensated for that...unless I missed something and this site is a charity.

We goose them, they goose back.

They actually want opinions; good, bad or indifferent.

What drew me to this forum was the "realness" of regular posters.

And a their generally good sense of humor.

Same goes for the MotoMasters; may they live long and prosper.
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I've kind of ODed on the Teutels over the recent millenium. No, really, it was nice of you to go to the trouble of publicising something about OCC, I hope you were well compensated for the ink, but my reaction to seeing the story was, 'Oh, darn, nothing interesting going on at MCUSA.'
Weren't you going to do something on the Raider? Maybe get your hands on a Bandit 1250S to tell me something new about?
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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 8:19 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

bmadson,

It was Kenny that got demeaning and condescending with his "whine bag" portrayal. If you folks want us to chill, you can't fuel a fire with cheap insults that don't apply to the topic. At this point, my suggestion is this whole topic dies a silent death, you folks get on with being the best motorcycle site on the web, you screw up something else so we can harass you appropriately on a new topic. Lord knows, this one has been beaten to a pulp. Cheers, Jack

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  		   Posted 11/13/2007 10:25 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You want some cheese with that whine? That should be enough compensation for ya ada. Anyway, I stand by whining about you guys whining too much. Its great that ya'll are here reading and participating but its pretty disheartening to hear that our main public voice is so narrow minded sometimes. Its fine that you dont like choppers or the Buell or the Tuono or the Z1000 or the 1908 or the Victory or the the Hypermotard its just makes me wonder what it takes to please the public at this juncture. Sometimes we scoop folks other times we get scooped. You know we had quite a few articles in queue and believe me in retrospect I wish we would have whipped out the Star piece first but sh!t happens. Maybe we didn't get the Raider at the same time as the other pubs. Sweet mother of Zeus. As far as it sounding like a personal jab, well I am sorry I hurt anyone's feelings but I still think you guys whine way too much. There's an ancient chinese proverb: Dont pee into the wind. Let's turn around as a group and put out the fires of dissent and get back to oour nature walk shall we boys? Now come along, lets go. Desi? Jacki, Ada-poo. WTF? Hey, anyone seen Lou?

Fire it up Holmes!

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  		   Posted 11/14/2007 3:24 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Kenny said...
You want some cheese with that whine? That should be enough compensation for ya ada. Anyway, I stand by whining about you guys whining too much. Its great that ya'll are here reading and participating but its pretty disheartening to hear that our main public voice is so narrow minded sometimes. Its fine that you dont like choppers or the Buell or the Tuono or the Z1000 or the 1908 or the Victory or the the Hypermotard its just makes me wonder what it takes to please the public at this juncture. Sometimes we scoop folks other times we get scooped. You know we had quite a few articles in queue and believe me in retrospect I wish we would have whipped out the Star piece first but sh!t happens. Maybe we didn't get the Raider at the same time as the other pubs. Sweet mother of Zeus. As far as it sounding like a personal jab, well I am sorry I hurt anyone's feelings but I still think you guys whine way too much. There's an ancient chinese proverb: Dont pee into the wind. Let's turn around as a group and put out the fires of dissent and get back to oour nature walk shall we boys? Now come along, lets go. Desi? Jacki, Ada-poo. WTF? Hey, anyone seen Lou?

Lou is too busy calling me a moron to post in this thread. Give it some time, I am sure he will have plenty of derogatory things to say about you soon enough.
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  		   Posted 11/14/2007 3:47 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Whoa, now we're narrow minded and whiners too? Sorry Kenny, I think you have really misread this diverse group of riders. A group that has very little use for bling bikes or OCC. Being part of the latest motorcycle fashion statement or hype isn't what it's about for them. It's about the ride and for the most part they know the likes of an OCC chopper won't get it done. It's sort of like the article you pushed through that failed to address the shortcomings of these bikes. That too didn't get it done. I will however say you've done a great job of digging yourself into a very big ditch.
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  		   Posted 11/14/2007 5:10 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Kenny,

Sit their and lick your wounds if you must, but fer chrissake, get over it, let it die, take a ride, and get on with life. The really important things are still there, like you get paid to ride the best bikes in the world, on a track without paying for it at times, we really do like and respect you and your opinion, and your mother still loves you, ad nauseum..... Priorities, dude, ya know??

 

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