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|  bmadson MCUSA Scribbler

       Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 1038 | Posted 4/7/2008 11:32 AM (GMT -8) |   | | Normally our man Frank Melling is filing a Memorable Motorcycle report for us, but our favorite Brit was good enough to fly down to Spain and sample the latest Monster from Ducati. Check out MotorcycleUSA.com's 2008 Ducati Monster 696 - First Ride | | Back to Top | | |
 |  GAJ Registered Member
        Date Joined Jul 2007 Total Posts : 4763 | Posted 4/7/2008 12:53 PM (GMT -8) |   | Excellent, entertaining and thorough w/u.
Hopefully it won't be outperformed by the SV that was slammed at the start of the article.
The lack of an adjustabe brake lever is somewhat offset by the surprising inclusion of a slipper clutch, no?
Looks like a very entertaining and 'hot' motorcycle; pun intended.
Plz give us pointers on how to survive being driven off the road into a pothole by a crazed Spaniard.
That sounds like an heroic save. | | Back to Top | | |
     |  ro7939 Registered Member
        Date Joined Oct 2006 Total Posts : 57 | Posted 4/8/2008 11:35 AM (GMT -8) |   | | Thoroughly enjoyed the article, confirming again this is the best overall mc website IMO.
USA dealer quoted $8775 USD MSRP last week. The styling is very sweet; I was neutral on the horizontal bar across the headlight till reading the negative comments, with which I now concur. Too bad about the muffler heat. The writer's incredibly frank comments are rare in such venues & highly appreciated. It appears very much like the writer had the reader's best interest at heart; again, very rare in professional publications. Kudos!
I put 13k miles on a '99 SS900 & became intimate w/ the Duc v-twin's enchanting qualities. I also test rode a '99 Monster 900, MultiStrada 1k, then another 1k later followed immediately by an S2R 800. The 800 became my favorite a/c Ducati, w/ a superb balance of tq/power/low reciprocating mass & so much smoother than the larger twins it's not funny. 25 lbs less, similar power & even smoother can only improve upon the 800.
The ride report is what I predicted, meaning a great bike occupying a unique market position. It looks like the 696 would engender great pride in ownership. This contrasts w/ the Street Triple, which despite its greater power has standard brakes, gross plumbing & is generally ugly (IMO). I'm sure readers disagree & that's why there's there's a Street Triple. Could not agree more concerning the SV's cheap look (despite its fun/dollar factor) vs. the lovely Duckling.
Jimbo Post Edited (ro7939) : 4/8/2008 7:49:55 PM GMT | | Back to Top | | |
   |  TTT Registered Member
        Date Joined Apr 2005 Total Posts : 107 | Posted 4/8/2008 2:16 PM (GMT -8) |   | |
I think the new 696 is going to be a huge sales success, especially in Europe. Yes the styling is different but if people want the old style Monster the S2R, S4R, etc remain in the model lineup. The base bike needed an update because the competition (Shiver, Street Triple) is getting tougher.
The new Monster looks even better with the aftermarket Termis and owners will find plenty of other areas to customize, I'd expect the usual Monster aftermarket support. I'd be thinking bikini fairing, adjustable rear sets, remove the passenger pegs, eliminate the rear fender and license plate holder, CRG levers, etc. I just hope the riding positon is good, Monsters tend to be a little short on leg room and an little long reaching across the tank to the bars.
My local dealer now has the Shiver in stock, I think it looks MUCH better in person than in photographs. Riding position is wonderful, good leg room and broad supportive seat. Fit and finish was superb, better than the Bimota or the Benelli that were sitting next to it. The cans are almost invisible they're integrated into the underside of the seat so well.
The Street Triple? eh, maybe not if you have aching knees or you're over 5'9" or so.
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    |  Desmolicious Registered Member

       Date Joined Aug 2004 Total Posts : 4618 | Posted 4/9/2008 9:15 AM (GMT -8) |   |
Mojav said...
And lets have a little more hyperbole - the 695 an antique? They are basically the same bike - entry Ducati, that's all.
Same bike? The 696 has a completely new frame, swingarm, subframe, wheels, suspension, brakes, instruments, bodywork, lights, exhaust, along with a heavily revised motor.
Apart from that, yeah, they're the same bike.
I love the way the old Monster looks, I also love the way this one looks. It will bring a lot of new customers to Ducati, which is exactly what they need and what the 1098/848 has done. I think the 696 looks like a cross between the Mv Agusta Brutale and the Triumph Street Triple. This thing will be a run away success.
Børk! Børk! Børk! | | Back to Top | | |
 |  YellowDuck Registered Member

       Date Joined Mar 2003 Total Posts : 4130 | Posted 4/9/2008 9:36 AM (GMT -8) |   | Three nits to pick with the (mostly good) article:
1. The comment about the bike now needing "premium lubricant" or whatever because there are no roller bearings on the cams was just strange. Thousands upon thousands of motorcycles use plain bearings for the cams - there is nothing unusual about that, and it is not like bikes with plain bearings typically need better oil. As for "meticulous" scheduling of oil changes, the service intervals for new monsters are longer than for past models.
2. I am always surprised that in reviewing this bike, no one ever points out the one huge shift in design from a functional standpoint: all monsters up to this point have had a linkage type rear suspension, which they inherited from the model upon which the original monster was based (851? ST? Can't remember). The direct (linkage-less) shock setup on this bike is a radical departure from monsters past, and in some ways makes the bike more like a descendent of the dearly departed supersport line. Ducati calls it a "progressive linkage", but the "progressive" part just comes from the angle of the shock and the change in geometry as the swingarm moves, just like on the old SS bikes. Glad to hear that it seems to work okay though.
3. Urban fashion accessory or not, some of us would like to know the basic tech specs. Did I miss it, or was there no mention in the whole article as to whether or not the suspension is adjustable? (According to the Duc site, the front is unadjustble, but the shock has rebound and preload adjustment).
Personally, I can understand why Ducati might be nervous about this bike. There is a lot riding on it, and the "Monsteristi" are having a hard time swallowing it so far, especially the hybrid frame. I tend to think that adding the cast subframe was a tactical error, but I do like the new swingarm. LCD gauges look like absolute crap though (pet peeve of mine). Ducati has beautiful stepper-motor type analogue clocks on some of their other bikes near this price point (GT1000), and they are wonderful. Nice to see them fit great brakes on it, and the slipper clutch is crucial for the intended market (fairly new riders), since it will enhance safety in the event of botched gear selection. Overall a good effort, I would say. Cynicism is what passes for insight among the mediocre - Joe Klein | | Back to Top | | |
   |  GeoffG Harley Ninja!

       Date Joined Jun 2003 Total Posts : 9196 | Posted 4/9/2008 1:50 PM (GMT -8) |   | YellowDuck said... 1. The comment about the bike now needing "premium lubricant" or whatever because there are no roller bearings on the cams was just strange. Thousands upon thousands of motorcycles use plain bearings for the cams - there is nothing unusual about that, and it is not like bikes with plain bearings typically need better oil. As for "meticulous" scheduling of oil changes, the service intervals for new monsters are longer than for past models. I hadn't read the article yet, but this just sounded wrong to me. You're correct, most motorcycle engines use plain bearings--in fact, most engines I can think of do (I own one of the few that doesn't). But generally speaking, plain bearings actually have less need of "premium" oil than roller bearings (plain bearings have no metal-metal contact once moving, unlike roller bearings which do).
So I did read the article, and what they actually say is: "However, the cylinder heads are new and the camshafts run directly in the head. Dispensing with the bearings makes the head lighter but will demand a premium quality lubricant and meticulous oil changes."
I read "the camshafts run directly in the head" to mean that the cams are running on bearing seats machined directly into the head, without the benefit of bearing shells at all. I've seen this before, in older Honda dirtbikes (where I had to rebuild the cam surface which had become damaged, likely due to dirt in the oil, or lack of oil). It is a cost-cutting measure, and makes me wonder where else they've cut costs...
I guess I should also put in here that I really like the 696 in pictures, but I'll have to see one in person to make any decision. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Superlight Registered Member
        Date Joined Dec 2004 Total Posts : 113 | Posted 4/9/2008 1:54 PM (GMT -8) |   | Styling. Very subjective, of course. When I first saw this bike in photos I thought it was a nice update on the original, but after seeing it in person, I'm more convinvced than ever that it will be a roaring sales success.
IMHO, the Japanese haven't a clue about a bike like this. The SV, though a good bike, is unbelieveably ugly, the newer Kawi ER650 also. What Ducati has done is to produce an beautiful, affordable bike that most any rider would be proud to own, despite its entry-level status. In some ways, its the motorcycle equivalent of a Mini or Honda Civic.
Good job, Ducati!
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