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bmadson
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Posted 7/29/2008 12:43 PM (GMT -8)

Follow along as MotorcycleUSA gets its hands on a 2008 Yamaha YZF-R1 and begins transforming it into a pavement pounder both on the street and the track. Check out our 2008 Yamaha YZF-R1 Project Bike

GAJ
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Posted 7/29/2008 1:16 PM (GMT -8)

Gosh, just how much $$$ did all that stuff cost that yielded a massive 4% increase in hp and barely a 3% increase in torque??

I'm guessing a ton more than the Power Commander that transformed one of my bikes with the stock map from a bucking bronco to a "carburetor smooth" fueler and the Stage 2 kit on bike #2 that resulted in a 10% increase in hp and torque when dynotuned.

Both were less than $500...I'm guessing you spent over $2,000 for rather underwhelming results.

Try a PC3 with a stock map and let us know the difference vs. this high buck effort.

The traction control option is intriguing...but I've not had happy experiences with my third bike which had "rear wheel lift detection" on the ABS which "smartly" took away your brakes if you encountered a bump that its tiny little brain interpreted as a "stoppie." I dumped that bike for the identical model without ABS.

So thx but no thx for bikes that try and "outsmart" the rider.

My apologies for being so negative...I'm kind of a "bang for the buck" kinda guy.

Post Edited (GAJ) : 7/29/2008 9:19:10 PM GMT

Desmolicious
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Posted 7/29/2008 2:51 PM (GMT -8)

Good points Geoff I mean GAJ. I see the Bazzaz box is at least $1000, plus they mention 3 hours for installation/set up. How much did that cost?
It's one thing listing the add ons, it's another showing the cost so that their worth can be determined.
A far far better performance mod, that is far far cheaper (maybe from a land that is far far away), is to redo the suspension. That will have more benefit than any hp gain on a 150 hp bike.
But, i understand that that's not what Squidworth wants to hear...

Børk! Børk! Børk!

jon
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Posted 7/29/2008 4:54 PM (GMT -8)

for public streets, roads and highways riding, performance mods are a waste of money imo. each of my bone stock bikes has had more than enough for me on the streets even my little 40hp virago. but hey, for those that have the money and want more, more power to them.

Tros
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Posted 7/29/2008 6:42 PM (GMT -8)

The R1 is one good looking bike!

2007 Kawasaki Ninja 650R

"People take different roads seeking fulfillment and happiness. Just because they're not on your road doesn't mean they've gotten lost."

louemc
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Posted 7/30/2008 10:52 AM (GMT -8)

Somehow I have a nagging hunch that I will never understand why an R1 is a starting point. Even if someone else is paying for everything, why?

I just have this notion that a bone stock (but completely set-up within stock adjustments) GIXXR 1000 with tires of choice on, would spank the Project R1 in every comparitive test. And maybe the ZX-10 as well, and maybe the CBR1000RR as well, and when the final cost (that anyone else would have to pay) is tallied, if it is in Ducati land, a 1098 would be spanking R1 ass as well.

Focus the forces, Be The Force

GAJ
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Posted 7/30/2008 11:20 AM (GMT -8)

Well, I went to the Dynojet website to see if I could find a dyno chart for an R1, but there was none...but there was like 3 dozen different "stock" maps.

But what I did find was that for $350 for a PCIII for my BMW F800ST they have this dyno chart showing a 15% increase in HP, (from 74 to 85), with stock cans and air filter...now THAT is bang for the buck. Holy smokes.

http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander_iii_usb/powercommander_all_downloads.aspx?mk=3&mdl=203&yr=2008

Black Shadow
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Posted 7/30/2008 11:46 AM (GMT -8)

louemc said...
Somehow I have a nagging hunch that I will never understand why an R1 is a starting point.

Probably just time to toot the Yamaha horn....

I forgot which British magazine recently did a comparo between a 1098R and a Bazzaz-modded CBR1000RR, but very, very interesting results there.

'99 Bandit 1200S

GAJ
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Posted 7/30/2008 11:52 AM (GMT -8)

It was the yank magazine Sport Rider and the CBR posted better lap times than the 4 times more expensive 1098r...they were impressed with the after market traction control though it's not for me.

jon
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Posted 7/30/2008 1:37 PM (GMT -8)

GAJ said...

i would take it with a grain of salt though because they're marketing their product. i've seen after market exhaust manufactures post dyno graphs in the past with their slip-on and full exhaust systems and in reality, people that bought those products did not seen the same results as the ones posted on dyno charts.

GAJ
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Posted 7/30/2008 3:17 PM (GMT -8)

I've bought a PCII from Dynojet and a Stage 2 carb kit.

In both cases they under promised and over delivered.

I'd expect the same to be true of the PCIII on this particular bike...but I will await actual owner experience before considering the upgrade.

AdamW79
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Posted 7/31/2008 3:01 PM (GMT -8)

A PC3 only controls 4 fuel-injectors... The R1 has 8 so you need to purchase 2 PC3s at a cost of around $600. For an another $400 you can have an integrated quick shifter and adjustable traction control that actually works. If you're a rider looking for more than just a fuel-module, the BPD system is totally worth it. In my opinion its the best $1000 you can spend on your sportbike.

GAJ said...
Gosh, just how much $$$ did all that stuff cost that yielded a massive 4% increase in hp and barely a 3% increase in torque??

I'm guessing a ton more than the Power Commander that transformed one of my bikes with the stock map from a bucking bronco to a "carburetor smooth" fueler and the Stage 2 kit on bike #2 that resulted in a 10% increase in hp and torque when dynotuned.

Both were less than $500...I'm guessing you spent over $2,000 for rather underwhelming results.

Try a PC3 with a stock map and let us know the difference vs. this high buck effort.

The traction control option is intriguing...but I've not had happy experiences with my third bike which had "rear wheel lift detection" on the ABS which "smartly" took away your brakes if you encountered a bump that its tiny little brain interpreted as a "stoppie." I dumped that bike for the identical model without ABS.

So thx but no thx for bikes that try and "outsmart" the rider.

My apologies for being so negative...I'm kind of a "bang for the buck" kinda guy.

AdamW79
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Date Joined Sep 2007
Total Posts : 26

Posted 7/31/2008 3:05 PM (GMT -8)

The R1 is as good of a starting point as any. Any new or used sportbike can benefit from a little TLC, especially to the fueling system. Toss on T/C and a quick shifter and it makes it even better.

louemc said...
Somehow I have a nagging hunch that I will never understand why an R1 is a starting point. Even if someone else is paying for everything, why?

I just have this notion that a bone stock (but completely set-up within stock adjustments) GIXXR 1000 with tires of choice on, would spank the Project R1 in every comparitive test. And maybe the ZX-10 as well, and maybe the CBR1000RR as well, and when the final cost (that anyone else would have to pay) is tallied, if it is in Ducati land, a 1098 would be spanking R1 ass as well.

Desmolicious
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Posted 7/31/2008 4:33 PM (GMT -8)

Adam, d'ya sometimes get the feeling that no matter what you review, the crusty old farts on this site will bee-yotch no matter what?
;)
(myself included!)

Børk! Børk! Børk!

AdamW79
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Posted 8/1/2008 9:56 AM (GMT -8)

hahahaha--true, true--- however it is still my mission to try and dissuade those old man-like notions whenever possible~

Desmolicious said...
Adam, d'ya sometimes get the feeling that no matter what you review, the crusty old farts on this site will bee-yotch no matter what?
;)
(myself included!)

GAJ
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Posted 8/1/2008 11:59 AM (GMT -8)

Weren't you at least a TAD disappointed in the small hp and torque increase with the large expense of pipes, filter, control unit and hours of dyno tuning?

The other stuff is cool and all, but just sayin'.

BTW, the DynoJet site does not specify 2 PC3's for the '08 R1.

Buy one, put it on your R1 after you return it to stock, run the stock map, and let us know the results.

I'm guessing similar for a lot less dosh.

Prove me wrong.

louemc
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Posted 8/2/2008 11:06 AM (GMT -8)

AdamW79 said...
hahahaha--true, true--- however it is still my mission to try and dissuade those old man-like notions whenever possible~

Desmolicious said...
Adam, d'ya sometimes get the feeling that no matter what you review, the crusty old farts on this site will bee-yotch no matter what?
;)
(myself included!)

Ok Ok

, how long do I have to wait around to find out how it goes for you, when, you have acquired knowlege into old-maness, and younger less acquired types see themselves as the pinicle of learning, and what you have is not relevent or current, or greater than what they have aquired?

In the same vein as a 14 year old that thinks they have it down, and an educated and out in the real world, adult is misguided and out of touch for too long. lol

(you have run into those haven't you ?)

Focus the forces, Be The Force

AdamW79
MCUSA - Associate Editor

Date Joined Sep 2007
Total Posts : 26

Posted 8/6/2008 1:55 AM (GMT -8)

FYI-with the Z-AFM Air Fuel Mapping Kit, total dyno time was no more than 10 minutes, seriously... That thing makes tuning too easy.

Honestly though, I'm not disappointed in the minute power increase. Stock 1000s are plenty fast... However, stock they aren't quite as smooth running as they could be. So instead of focusing on high peak power numbers we instead worked on making the power smoother as well as having it come on a bit earlier in the rev range. And the parts we installed delivered as promised...

Dynojet doesn't specifiy 2 modules because you can still tune the R1 via the 4 large primary fuel-injectors. The 4 smaller secondary are for fine-tuning, however you still need an additonal Power Commander to do so.

You make a valid point though and it would be interesting to see how the Bazzaz system compared to the Dynojet unit in terms of fueling...Hmmmm...

GAJ said...
Weren't you at least a TAD disappointed in the small hp and torque increase with the large expense of pipes, filter, control unit and hours of dyno tuning?

The other stuff is cool and all, but just sayin'.

BTW, the DynoJet site does not specify 2 PC3's for the '08 R1.

Buy one, put it on your R1 after you return it to stock, run the stock map, and let us know the results.

I'm guessing similar for a lot less dosh.
Prove me wrong.

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