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pederbm
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| Posted 8/27/2008 6:16 AM (GMT -8) |   | | Where the heck did the first page of the test go????? | | Back to Top | | |
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bmadson
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| Posted 8/27/2008 8:19 AM (GMT -8) | | | Technical difficulties peder. Try refreshing page 1. | | Back to Top | | |
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Nodian
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| Posted 8/27/2008 1:46 PM (GMT -8) | | |
I don’t think this generation V-Max will reach the same iconic status the first generation did simply because the first one was just about the quickest thing on two wheels in 1985.
1985 was before the FZR1000, Gsxr1100, and ZX1100. The V-Max could take the GS1150, FJ1200, and even Honda’s 1100 V4.
Nowadays there are over a half dozen bikes that will walk the 09 V-Max: GSXR1000, CBR1000, ZX10R, R1, MV F41000, Hayabusa, ZX1400R, B-King, and maybe even Ducati’s 1098R.
Most of these bikes make HP close to what the V-Max will make at the rear wheel, and some maybe even more. Plus they weigh anywhere from 100-250lbs less, have ram-air induction, and better aero dynamics.
Everybody and their mother have done write ups on the V-Max but no real hard facts yet like RWHP, ¼ mile time and trap etc. If the V-Max is the real deal, these numbers would have been gladly published months ago. Just like when the Busa first came out… BAAM front cover of every cycle mag 189+ mph!!!. Or when the 1998 ZXR came out BAAM front cover 9.998 ¼ mile at 138 mph. 1998 R1 BAAM front cover 130 RWHP only 450 lbs wet. You get my point.
With the 09 V-Max we get …crank hp. and endless blithering and cheerleading form all the moto journalist.
09 V-Max nine second bike? No chance. I say low 10’s at 135-138 mph trap. In other words, a touch quicker than a GSXR750 on paper. Seat of the pants, a lot quicker than its real numbers will show.
This is my point the 09 V-Max is plenty fast and fun to ride I am sure. But all of the hype around this bike is getting really old and rings hollow to my ears. But then again what else can you expect from Yamaha, the maker of the 17,500 rpm R6…ha ha. Oh oops I mean 15900 rpm R6. Lets hope Yamaha wasn’t as optimistic with the V-Max’s HP as they were with the R6’s redline. | | Back to Top | | |
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bmadson
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| Posted 8/27/2008 1:53 PM (GMT -8) | | | sorry peder, maybe try dumping your cache. Is everyone else seeing page 1 alright? | | Back to Top | | |
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ro7939
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| Posted 8/27/2008 4:10 PM (GMT -8) | | | I've touched, ogled, sat on, examined closely, & considered from every angle most every modern high-end cruiser. A female, great ex-co-worker & my current next door neighbor (not such a great guy) own $35k Big Dogs w/ huge S&S motors.
IMO, under any & every, real or perceived, objective or subjective method of measuring, the '09 V-Max is so far head & shoulders above any modern cruiser real or on the horizon, that it is simply not open to debate.
I would imagine owners of every other modern cruiser will have to get accustomed to the feeling of pure inadequacy & smallness after being completely anihilated by the new V-Max in any contest of speed. Can you imagine riding a cruiser w/ an S&S motor costing $20k, even a highly modified V-Rod, & how badly you'd be beat by Mr. V-Max? Shoot, for that matter I imagine even an '85 V-Max in good running condition would beat 90% of modern cruiser twins.
As far as I can tell from the pics, even finish quality & overall appearance is ahead of all the competition. The notion that a cruiser twin can even be called "powerful" when compared to the V-Max is just silly. The notion of labeling any twin as being "hi-tech" just became a joke. LOOK: this sucka's got MotoGP tech!
My 2c. With all due respect to all twin owners. You should have seen this coming & put yours on the auction block a long time ago. I respect any & all differing opinions. But this is mine & I'm sticking to it.
I see no way on earth how Honda or H-D can justify any notion that they can compete w/ Yamaha in the world of cruisers. They simply can't.
Yamaha should be proud as heck for this accomplishment. Kudos! | | Back to Top | | |
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ro7939
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| Posted 8/27/2008 4:25 PM (GMT -8) | |
Desmolicious said...
Nodian said...
Nowadays there are over a half dozen bikes that will walk the 09 V-Max: GSXR1000, CBR1000, ZX10R, R1, MV F41000, Hayabusa, ZX1400R, B-King, and maybe even Ducati’s 1098R.
The base 1098 1/4s in the 9's. At least Cycle World got it to do that.
I think the new Vmax has the impression of immense speed cuz it is so big. I love the line about how it may catch some sport bikes in the corners (or did I read that on motorcycle.com?). A 680lb cruiser. Rrrrright.
A friend of mine built Doug Henry's 2003 AMA S/M Yamaha 450 that finished second for the year behind Ben Bostrum.
I've read more than once that during rider courses, Bostrum takes passengers & goes 'round solo riders including fast journalists, on bikes w/ far more performance than Ben's, like the other guys were racing in reverse mid-corner. (Won't find me riding pillion w/ Ben.)
If I had to take a bet, the average Superbike owner on their bike vs. Bostrum on an '09 V-Max, round the track, I'll take Ben any day of the week. Actual independent tested wet Superbike weights run around mid-450 lbs, V-Max estimated low-700 lbs. That's a difference of about 250+ estimated.
I'll spot Ben 250 lbs against the average SB owner any day of the week. Bring money.
BTW: Ben's going to outbreak the SB owner so bad it's not funny. Despite cruiser's greater weight, their extra long WB provide far more front tire loading + the tires have larger contact patch resulting in shorter stopping distances than sport bikes. Especially w/ the V-Max's SOTA brakes. Check MCN-USA specs. Post Edited (ro7939) : 8/28/2008 12:30:39 AM GMT | | Back to Top | | |
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jon
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| Posted 8/27/2008 7:38 PM (GMT -8) | |
HogWild said...
Desmolicious said...
Nodian said...Nowadays there are over a half dozen bikes that will walk the 09 V-Max: GSXR1000, CBR1000, ZX10R, R1, MV F41000, Hayabusa, ZX1400R, B-King, and maybe even Ducati’s 1098R.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o  > </o > The base 1098 1/4s in the 9's. At least Cycle World got it to do that. I think the new Vmax has the impression of immense speed cuz it is so big. I love the line about how it may catch some sport bikes in the corners (or did I read that on motorcycle.com?). A 680lb cruiser. Rrrrright. Cycle World had the 1098 at 9.84 in a June issue.
if i'm not mistaken, that 1098 was modded so it's apple and orange. the only stock 1098 that i've seen break into the 9's so far is the 1098r with it's bigger more powerful engine and + 24k price tag. however, a stock 1098 base can do the 1/4 in the low 10's from what i've seen so it breaking into the very high 9's wouldn't suprise me like 9.99. | | Back to Top | | |
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