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We get by with a little help from our friends at MCN, who tested the performance claims of Ducati's lust-worthy MotoGP replica - the Desmosedici. Check out the 2008 Ducati Desmosedici - First Ride
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  		   Posted 9/2/2008 11:12 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ummm, I talked to the manager of Modesto Ducati, about this, he has sold 17 of them.

First i wanted to know, who buys them? Well, every buyer has a collection of exotica, it isn't a matter of having just one "unobtainium" bike. And, without exception, they feel this bike is a quantum leap above any of their other bikes.

That's the viewpoint of the owners, not some journo that is coming up with numbers. And drawing on some racer on some track.

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My brother still hasn't ridden his...

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Desmolicious said...
My brother still hasn't ridden his...

 
What other bikes does your brother have (or has had) and where will he ride his street legal GP bike? Pacific coast Hwy, ever open enough if he lives close to where you live?

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  		   Posted 9/2/2008 11:48 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

nice write up,

it's hair faster in the top end than the zx and a hair slower than the zx through 1320 feet and it's 65k more than the zx?  for 65k more, i expect alot more.  the duc is the better bike overall but it's no where close to 65k better imo.  even when compared to the duc 1098r, i rather take the r over the des too...the price gap just doesn't justify the difference for me. kind of like in the auto world, i would rather paid 100k for a viper than 600k mercedez with similar specs if i was buying. 


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  		   Posted 9/2/2008 12:15 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Top is supposed to be about power vs wind resistance. These 'governed' top speed tests are absurd because the motor never gets to do its job against the wind. You call this the fastest bike because you happened to get the governor to 'jiggle' a bit more that other bikes? You call this the fasted bike and it has a top speed limiter? Air pressure is supposed to be the top speed limiter!
This is the electronic age! Next time, get some 12 year old girl with a laptop to defeat the governor. Then show up with a few extra sizes of front and rear sprockets and lets get some genuine power vs wind resistance numbers.
Quit wasting our time with these ridiculous 'tests'.
By the way, you've been advertising a 650 dual purpose comparison for a month now. When do we get to see it.
Thom Boz
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jon said..it's hair faster in the top end than the zx and a hair slower than the zx through 1320 feet and it's 65k more than the zx?  for 65k more, i expect alot more. 
For comparisons to be valid you need the same rider testing the bikes at the same venue on the same day right after each other.

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louemc said...
Desmolicious said...
My brother still hasn't ridden his...

 
What other bikes does your brother have (or has had) and where will he ride his street legal GP bike? Pacific coast Hwy, ever open enough if he lives close to where you live?

He's had big Kawi ZXs.  But he didn't buy this bike to ride, but to have.
Yah, I know, I'm with you on this one. What a waste..
 

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  		   Posted 9/2/2008 2:27 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thom, buddy, we're sorry and have no good excuses. Can you hang in there til Monday?
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Desmolicious said...
jon said..it's hair faster in the top end than the zx and a hair slower than the zx through 1320 feet and it's 65k more than the zx?  for 65k more, i expect alot more. 
For comparisons to be valid you need the same rider testing the bikes at the same venue on the same day right after each other.

agree to that so we'll see how much more it can do against the likes of the zx when those bikes are tested on the same day.  hopefully the duc des has a good investment return for your bro. if that's his purpose. 
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  		   Posted 9/2/2008 11:39 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
louemc said...
Ummm, I talked to the manager of Modesto Ducati, about this, he has sold 17 of them.

First i wanted to know, who buys them? Well, every buyer has a collection of exotica, it isn't a matter of having just one "unobtainium" bike. And, without exception, they feel this bike is a quantum leap above any of their other bikes.

That's the viewpoint of the owners, not some journo that is coming up with numbers. And drawing on some racer on some track.

Read this British article awhile ago.  Nice to see it here.
 
 
Can confirm what I've bold-faced above.  While many fine bikes are modest improvements over others/predecessors, the gap between this monster and all others leaves one shaking the head trying to describe it.  To be sure, the Desmosedici performance nums will approximate other overkill race-bred bikes for mortals (As Bologna notes the RR was detuned slightly so it would be rideable), but how this thing delivers the rush over-taxes the senses.  It is mind-numbing.

Post Edited (sfarson) : 9/3/2008 3:03:42 PM GMT

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  		   Posted 9/3/2008 8:36 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Don't *we* have one here in Medford Oregon? Maybe you could get someone to let you ride it first hand?
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sfarson said...

 
 how this thing delivers the rush over-taxes the senses.  It is mind-numbing.
 
 
That's premium drug at it's best.  Makes the price one that the people that can pay it, are happy to pay it. smilewinkgrin

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  		   Posted 9/3/2008 2:56 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It's cool they mentioned that it's stable at those speeds.  I've heard it said many times that bikes feel unstable before the motor is wrung out in top gear.

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Sfarson, pick up the latest issue of the Brit Rag T.W.O. (two wheels only).

They test the following bikes over an 18 hour period with two ex brit Superbike racers (Niall McKenzie and James Witham) doing the track tests; I believe you own an HP2 and the Ducati. The sort of test a yank rag would NEVER do...very, very interesting reading.

It's entitled "Chasing Perfection" and pits the GSXR750 vs. the KTMRC8, the 1098R, CBR1000 and HP2 Sport to see which is the overall best street bike SS for mere mortals.

Their conclusions (again you really have to read it) are 5 stars for the 750 and 1098r, 4 for the CBR and 3 each for the BMW and KTM...but they loved them all in their unique ways.
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  		   Posted 9/4/2008 9:46 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for the lead GAJ. Have a subscription to T.W.O (And Bike).... indeed can the Brits write and come up with creative content. Will look for the article.

Each of the bikes noted would (and do) overload the senses.

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  		   Posted 9/4/2008 10:10 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just need to wave a Green flag here hop  After a life time of high performance bikes, it wasn't till tasting the 05 ZX-10, that I was on a bike that made my brain, secrete a drug into receptors for that.
 
Another way of saying it, "it takes you to a place, that you haven't been before, and, want to go to, again ASAP")
 
It takes a stability, to feel safe enough to go there (not just power), going there, being there, and getting back from there, requires a whole lot of parts of the tool, doing a job, in harmony, that is very very rare.
 
 
Not comparing my ZX-10 to this street legal GP Ducati, just saying in the place, my drug gets exercised, it gives me (possibly) an understanding of what a rider on the Ducati is saying about it.

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  		   Posted 9/5/2008 7:22 PM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
louemc said...

 
 
Not comparing my ZX-10 to this street legal GP Ducati, just saying in the place, my drug gets exercised, it gives me (possibly) an understanding of what a rider on the Ducati is saying about it.

If you're finding the ZX to be a legal drug, that is the high you want.  Doesn't matter the bike.
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  		   Posted 9/6/2008 9:18 AM (GMT -8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Totally agree there sfarson, in a way every bike I've ever had, and the experiences it gave, were to some degree, that legal drug.

The ZX-10 (and other hard core haulers) do something else though, with a mix of acceleration rate, and perception altering speeds, that nothing in my history has done before, That's what I was alluding to in what the street legal GP Ducati would offer.

The cost of tires is a high one, though, when you leave so much on the road, everytime you ride :-)

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