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Rich_S
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| Posted 10/30/2009 7:46 AM (GMT -8) |   | | | |
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GAJ
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| Posted 10/30/2009 10:01 AM (GMT -8) | | | Decent price for a Harley...but the comments about the brakes would be of concern. | | Back to Top | | |
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Budoka
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| Posted 10/30/2009 1:17 PM (GMT -8) | | I for one will miss the mini apes as well as the bobbed (ok it's another dated styling cue) rear fender, but that's why I liked 'em originally. As for the article, it states the WG first debuted 1993, when it actually came on the scene in 1981; a friend of mine had one in candy red metallic. I've always liked forward controls on any cruiser styled bike, and if HD was to change that, I think that would seal the fate of the Wide Glide among the stalwarts forever. Purists don't like it when you mess with their iconic ideals, and they are already grumbling about the styling changes of the 2010 Wide Glide. Desmo is likely right about the brakes not being bedded in, my Road King brakes were horrible for the first 500 miles or so, but after working them hard with practice panic stops they got much better; something I hadn't noticed with previous bikes. I was worried for a while that all the horror stories about Harley's weak brakes were real, since the ones on my Dyna Convertible sucked. Curious that the XR1200 uses Nissin Calipers for the brake system...HD copying Honda?
Same road, same wind in your face! | | Back to Top | | |
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thesoapster
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| Posted 10/30/2009 7:12 PM (GMT -8) | | Eh, not a bad ride I suppose. I still wouldn't want to put up with the maintenance. It is funny to see the spewing in the comment section on that page, though 
Hater's gonna hate...
Have some common sense and courtesy about it all and loud pipes don't really get to me. It's the late late night/early morning crew who make it a point to interrupt my sleep who invoke rage. | | Back to Top | | |
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jon
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| Posted 11/1/2009 2:16 AM (GMT -8) | | Desmolicious said...jon said...
"It’s $14,499 MSRP is a much more attractive selling point than the $17,620 price tag of the 2008 105th Anniversary Wide Glide...
still over priced when compared to other available bikes in the same class Yeah, when a Honda VTX1800N Package 2 is $16,500.... http://powersports.honda.com/2008/vtx1800n/options.aspx
you must've paid full msrp for all of your vehicles  and think that's the norm. well, since you're a hd owner, i guess it could be because hd do charge full msrp plus still charges a hefty mark up in some cases based on my recent observation at an eagle's nest hd dealership. the msrp for that honda means nothing in the real world. buyers are paying $10-12k for the vtx1800n spec 2 in the real world like this one:
www.cycletrader.com/find/listing/2008-Honda-VTX1800N-96025880
since a vtx1800n spec 2 like the one in the link above can be had for $10,459 or less, a hd wide glide should cost no more than $9k, otherwise it's over priced to me and i'll take the vtx every time between the two. keep the two bikes and its' prices the same but swapped its' brand names, i'll would still take the vtx every time. | | Back to Top | | |
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Flyfisher
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| Posted 11/1/2009 6:39 AM (GMT -8) | | After reading something like that I can not understand the desire for a bike like that. Braking? Cornering? .... it's just beyond me. I understand and appreciate that everyone has their own tastes (I wouldn't have it any other way) but I couldn't fork over hard earned cash for something that almost turns and almost stops well.
Performance and engineering excellence turn me on. | | Back to Top | | |
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Desmolicious
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| Posted 11/1/2009 6:00 PM (GMT -8) | | jon said...you must've paid full msrp for all of your vehicles and think that's the norm. well, since you're a hd owner, i guess it could be because hd do charge full msrp plus still charges a hefty mark up in some cases based on my recent observation at an eagle's nest hd dealership. the msrp for that honda means nothing in the real world. buyers are paying $10-12k for the vtx1800n spec 2 in the real world like this one: www.cycletrader.com/find/listing/2008-Honda-VTX1800N-96025880 since a vtx1800n spec 2 like the one in the link above can be had for $10,459 or less, a hd wide glide should cost no more than $9k, otherwise it's over priced to me and i'll take the vtx every time between the two. keep the two bikes and its' prices the same but swapped its' brand names, i'll would still take the vtx every time.
What determines the true value of something? Think about it for a second. If a mfg can ask say, $14K for a bike, and can sell it for $14K, then that's what the bike is worth. Simple supply and demand economics.
If a mfg asks $16.5K for a bike, but in the real world it only sells for $10K, then the real price is $10K.
So, the mfg that asks for $14K, and gets $14K has therefore priced their bike correctly.
The other mfg that asks $16.5K, but can only get $10K, has overpriced their bikes by 65%!!!
Just because you are not willing to pony up, does not mean that that bike (the Harley) is overpriced. That is proven by the fact they can sell them for what they ask (or close to).
The fact that the Honda has to be discounted by almost 40% to sell tells you it is ridiculously overpriced initially...
So you are happy to buy that Honda for $10K? Great. But that has no bearing on the value of something else if that value is proven on the open market.
p.s. what matters is not whether someone 'claims' they will buy a VTX over a Harley, but someone that actually does. I can claim that I'll buy a 911 over an Audi R8 but the reality is that it matters not one bit what I 'claim' if I do not make a purchase of either.
I can also claim I would date Jessica Biel over Jessica Alba, but seeing neither is going to happen....
Børk! Børk! Børk!Post Edited (Desmolicious) : 11/2/2009 2:05:28 AM GMT | | Back to Top | | |
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jon
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| Posted 11/1/2009 7:18 PM (GMT -8) | | Desmolicious said...jon said...you must've paid full msrp for all of your vehicles and think that's the norm. well, since you're a hd owner, i guess it could be because hd do charge full msrp plus still charges a hefty mark up in some cases based on my recent observation at an eagle's nest hd dealership. the msrp for that honda means nothing in the real world. buyers are paying $10-12k for the vtx1800n spec 2 in the real world like this one: www.cycletrader.com/find/listing/2008-Honda-VTX1800N-96025880 since a vtx1800n spec 2 like the one in the link above can be had for $10,459 or less, a hd wide glide should cost no more than $9k, otherwise it's over priced to me and i'll take the vtx every time between the two. keep the two bikes and its' prices the same but swapped its' brand names, i'll would still take the vtx every time. What determines the true value of something? Just because you are not willing to pony up, does not mean that that bike (the Harley) is overpriced.
the individual consumers determines the real value which why some are willing to pay and others aren't.
per the discussion here, "pony up" has nothing to do with it because what's over priced is still determined by the individual. like any other consumer products, you'll see a variety of opinions including the ones from the professional testers and reviewers, in the comment section and in this thread (one is not more correct or better than the other, just different). using your logic then, people such as myself and even you that've said the dn-01 is way overpriced are just not willing to pony up for that bike, correct?
the product that cost less is not always the better value either (still just depends on the individual) and in some cases, i do feel the more expensive products are a better value overall. for instances, i'll take the rune over the dn-01, the 1198 over the street fighter, the vmax over the v-rod if those were the given the scenarios so being willing to pony up has nothing to do with it but finding which is the best value has everything to do with it even if that product cost more.
btw, even at 10k, the vtx1800n is still a bit over priced to me because i find bikes like the raider, roadliner or m109r to have better values. i guess i'm just not willing to pony up for the vtx  . | | Back to Top | | |
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GAJ
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| Posted 11/2/2009 8:09 AM (GMT -8) | | I was surprised that HD unit sales are down in the low 20's in the third quarter, from what I found, to an overall drop of near 40% overall.
Surprising to me, actually.
I would have though HD would have fared worse than average considering the high average unit price. | | Back to Top | | |
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TravelerKLK
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| Posted 11/4/2009 5:22 AM (GMT -8) | | Desmo says that the Harley is priced right because the people who buy it pay at or near the MSRP. That argument is valid, IF AND ONLY IF you define the market for the Harley as made up of everyone who actually buys one. However, the analysis is flawed in real world terms because it entirely disregards everyone who may be in the market for the Harley, or that type of bike, but chooses to buy something else because of price/value considerations. In other words, prospective buyers of the Harley who look at it and then purchase a similar class bike are making price/value decisions as well, however, their value decisions are not reflected in the value determination which Desmo finds so compelling. Unless and until those people are identified and tracked, the price/value analysis expressed by Desmo is entirely flawed and without validity, EXCEPT for the universe of people who actually buy the Harley. For those people, the price/value analysis is accurate.
--Trav
"Man's mind, stretched by a new idea, never goes back to its original dimensions."
O.W.H., JR. | | Back to Top | | |
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GAJ
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| Posted 11/4/2009 6:34 AM (GMT -8) | | TravelerKLK said...
Desmo says that the Harley is priced right because the people who buy it pay at or near the MSRP. That argument is valid, IF AND ONLY IF you define the market for the Harley as made up of everyone who actually buys one. However, the analysis is flawed in real world terms because it entirely disregards everyone who may be in the market for the Harley, or that type of bike, but chooses to buy something else because of price/value considerations. In other words, prospective buyers of the Harley who look at it and then purchase a similar class bike are making price/value decisions as well, however, their value decisions are not reflected in the value determination which Desmo finds so compelling. Unless and until those people are identified and tracked, the price/value analysis expressed by Desmo is entirely flawed and without validity, EXCEPT for the universe of people who actually buy the Harley. For those people, the price/value analysis is accurate.
As the number one brand in the US, by far, it would seem that they are doing a better job marketing their products here than others, regardless of price.
They may have different price/value relationship over their entire lineup than others, but evidently it is the most compelling to the most number of people in the US so they are the current champ.
Will they still be the champ in 10 years?
I'd say yes.
And no, I don't own an HD, never have and likely never will. | | Back to Top | | |
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