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bmadson
MCUSA Scribbler
      
Date Joined Jul 2005
Total Posts : 1038
| Posted 1/8/2008 11:52 AM (GMT -8) |   | | | |
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jimjam
Registered Member
Date Joined Jan 2008
Total Posts : 1
| Posted 1/9/2008 10:49 AM (GMT -8) | | You guys have to be kidding, right? Superbikes on Speed best show?
This show is an absolute disgrace, no matter how they try to vary the content it is still hosted by and directed towards the lowest common denominator in our hobby.
Hey, I'm Jason Britten - watch me wheelie! WEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! Now, watch me try my secret hip-hop handshake on this week's celebrity guest!
Admitting you like this show is the same thing as admitting you're an idiot, or that you're 19, and ride your CBR in a tshirt and hi-tops.
Come On! | | Back to Top | | |
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GAJ
Registered Member
Date Joined Jul 2007
Total Posts : 4763
| Posted 1/9/2008 11:54 AM (GMT -8) | | Hey, I just wish I GOT SpeedVision.
Comcast sucks; I should go to Direct TV with all its HD Channels but the wife doesn't like the idea of a satellite on the side of the house.
I especially like the story on BMadson as Bowling Pin.
Musta been a hoot; embarassing, but a great bar story.
Self depracation is a sign of a sound mind.
It's always nice to know the tester is "human" and I actually think testers should admit when they crash a test bike so their readers can learn from their experience. | | Back to Top | | |
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Hilde44
MotoUSA - Dirt Guy
Date Joined Sep 2005
Total Posts : 469
| Posted 1/9/2008 6:11 PM (GMT -8) | | | You've got some serious complaints there, jimjam, and I won't argue their validity, but what's your solution? What was your favorite in '07? | | Back to Top | | |
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bmadson
MCUSA Scribbler
Date Joined Jul 2005
Total Posts : 1038
| Posted 1/10/2008 8:14 AM (GMT -8) | | We probably would've chosen those Desmo, but we limited ourselves to '07 models.
GAJ, glad my public humiliation brings you happiness... :) Just kidding, even though I took everyone out, that mini racing was a blast. | | Back to Top | | |
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Hilde44
MotoUSA - Dirt Guy
Date Joined Sep 2005
Total Posts : 469
| Posted 1/10/2008 8:53 AM (GMT -8) | | | We put Bart through some advanced training for that mini event and he showed great promise right from the get-go that he would do us proud in the crash department. Now his Crash Master trophy proves we were right. | | Back to Top | | |
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Ada Ada
Psychedelic Relic
Date Joined Jul 2006
Total Posts : 262
| Posted 1/10/2008 8:15 PM (GMT -8) | |
Desmolicious said...so, give us your list Ada.
I thought you'd never ask.
Is this list supposed to be only new bikes in 2007? Because MCUSA's best tourer is not new in 2007. At least I don't think so. Anyway, best tourer wouldn't be the R1200GS. Most wouldn't call it a tourer. They would call it an 'Adventure Bike' or something like that. But I actually agree with not over-classifying bikes, so I accept that criteria. How about the Norge? Yes, definately, the Norge. And it's a legit 2007.
Like I say, I don't get too much into dirt bikes or hyperretards, but somewhere in there I'd DEFINATELY have the KLR.
Best middleweight sport bike for 2007? - I thought that was settled as the Triumph Daytona 675. I thought it was a done deal. THe Honda 600 is old news. It's redesigned for 2008, for cry'n out loud.
The best new cruiser isn't "my old Harley". I mean, I like Harley's a lot,but give me a break. 90% of all harleys made in the last ten years are still on the road. THe other 10% made it home. All 23,345,567,888 harleys out there are basically thesame bike. SO what's so special about one fook'n Harley? Best new cruiser is the Victory. It's a 2007. THat was easy.
I don't even see the catagory for best buy. Don't worry, MCUSA. Motorcyclist messed up on that call, too. Best buy is the Bandit 1250S.
Best Lust Object is Martha McWhat's 'er name on The O'Reilly Factor. Motorcycles don't make me lust. Desire, yes. Lust, no.
I don't know what the difference is between Best Open Class Sportbike and Best New Streetbike. I'n da 'hood blood don' ri' Ducatis. I don't like 'em anyhow. I say, GSXR gets both those catagories.
Best standard? Did they have a best standard class? Is the Street Triple a standard? Is the Griso? I don't know. Maybe between those. Maybe the Tiger.
I know my '05 Tiger rocks. | | Back to Top | | |
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Ada Ada
Psychedelic Relic
Date Joined Jul 2006
Total Posts : 262
| Posted 1/11/2008 1:49 PM (GMT -8) | |
Desmolicious said...A 550lb 72rwhp Norge isn't going to be best tourer until it gets the new 8V motor. That and it's lack of cornering clearance on the left side (the center stand drags early and before anything else) is a major problem. Add left side bodywork that needs to be removed to check the oil level and too soft stock suspension, and, well, no thanks. Maybe the new Kawi C14? Or the Yam FJ 13? Or the BMW Rt? Multi 1100s? The Kawi KLR would win for best bargain maybe. But no way best dp, especially when KTM has single cylinder entries in this field with fantastic suspension and FI. Triumph Daytona - agree. Victory cruiser - agree Lust object? Get a grip man, wenches come and go but an item of moto jewelry is forever! Open class sportbike - GSXR, new street bike - Duc. Don't like 'em? Well, the consensus is against you. Ever ridden a modern one? Standard? Suzi b1250? Kawi Versys?
WHOA! Hold on there, pod'na, Let's not start complaining about 550 lb bikes and then suggest 650 lb bikes as alternatives. And as for cornering clearance and center stand touching down, this catagory isn't for Knee Draggin, it's for touring. My Guzzi rep does my oil changes.
For mildly sporting guys like me that do not exceed 140 mph on a regular basis, the performance of the bike is more attributable to the torque and the gearing and my wringing out what it has to offer more than to an unusably high hp rating. I had my 'busa for a while and, though it was a fine motorcycle, I could seldom benefit from half of its capacity. I actually like the Norge, for several reasons, but not the least of which is that I can use the whole range. Yes, I'd like to 8Vs.
Really, I'd have to say that the Norge is very light feeling and easy handling. Not to mention much, much, much better looking (though not as great looking as Martha Macwhat's 'er name) and it has a topcase. THe lack of a topcase alone disqualifies the Kawi out of hand as a tourer. (My Tiger has a topcase). I don't do any knee dragg'n while I'm touring, or when I'm not touring for that matter, so the suspension suits as well. I like the Yam better than the Kawi, and maybe fourth time's the charm, but no, not this year, IMO. Maybe the R1200RT, but it isn't new for 2007.
Wenches come and go? Lust object? Wenches come and go?
The Kawi Verses? Now there's a bike I might consider to be underpowered. I like the KLR better. | | Back to Top | | |
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Kenny
MCUSA - Editorial Director
Date Joined Apr 2003
Total Posts : 460
| Posted 1/11/2008 5:10 PM (GMT -8) | | Folks: The choices must be 2007 models/events/shows but dont have to necessarily be new for '07. So keep the dates straight and lets see what everyone else has for a list. We promise that if you don't act like a dick to us anymore we'll be nice to your list (Maybe)....
Ada is obviously bitter when shortly after buying the Norge he found out that riding a bike with a hinge in the middle, goofy saddlebags and weak heated grips powered by two three-legged gerbils wasn't enough to compensate for the price tag. Top case is not standard equipment and light feeling? Yeah, it feels light, I agree. Easy handling? Compared to what? A snowmobile? Just kidding, it actually handles OK too. I know that after we rode the Norge in our Sport Touring comparo that is in the works right now...we decided it just didn't belong - because of those very reasons though. On a positive note, a lot of people walking past it during luch and fuel stops liked the way it looked so you gotta give props where they are due. But...how you think that troglodyte looks good and the Hypermotard reminds you have a ridalin ridden special-ed kid has me questioning about your sense of style. In fact, on second thought you definitely shouldn't consider any of these bikes we proposed here if the Norge makes you happy. Its safer for eveyone in your county if thats the case. Here's your sign....
I didn't agree with a few of the choices we ended up with (H-D..cough, cough) on the Best Of 2007 but...the Victory Vision, Versys & KLR are 2008 models or else they woulda been easy picks so keep searching for an alternative complaints/choices there. I picked the RSD Vintage as the hot ticket for the cruiser but I got poo-pooed.
Superbikes! - Jason Bitton is doing a good job on that show these days. It started off rough but in the end, there's no denying that people do wheelies and let their inner jackass loose once in a while - thats why we love sportbikes right? There were some shows better than others but in the end I'd like to see what anyone else could pull off compared to what JB and his crew do in the time they have. Seriously, what's better? V-Twin TV? American Thunder? I see 2 things I like on that show!
Fire it up Holmes! | | Back to Top | | |
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Ada Ada
Psychedelic Relic
Date Joined Jul 2006
Total Posts : 262
| Posted 1/12/2008 7:23 AM (GMT -8) | |
Kenny said...... dont have to necessarily be new for '07. ...don't act like a dick ... ...Norge ...with a hinge in the middle, goofy saddlebags and weak heated grips powered by two three-legged gerbils ...the price tag. Top case is not standard equipment ...Yeah, it feels light, I agree. ....it actually handles OK too. ....we rode the Norge in our Sport Touring comparo that is in the works right now...we decided it just didn't belong ..... ....give props where they are due. ........Hypermotard .... questioning about your sense of style. ..... Its safer for eveyone in your county if thats the case. Here's your sign.... I didn't agree with a few of the choices we ended up with (H-D..cough, cough) on the Best Of 2007 but...the Victory Vision, Versys & KLR are 2008 models or else they woulda been easy picks so keep searching for an alternative complaints/choices there. I picked the RSD Vintage as the hot ticket for the cruiser but I got poo-pooed.
..... I'm not sure where you're coming from, Kenny. First off, I didn't buy a Norge. I took one on a long, fast test ride sponsorerd by MG. I've owned a MG in the past. THe Norge was a thrill. I'm not bitter about anything.
I'm not sure why you think I'm bitter or why the caveat about acting like a dick. Someone has to stir things up on this forum or we're all going to fall asleep. But as I read your comments I do detect a certain dickness, so maybe that's just how differing opinions come across in forums.
WHether a topcase is standard or not, at least it'savaiable. Somehow, Ducati's shortcomings are forgiven because it's Italian and 'exotic'. I suppose I forgive MG for similar reasons. I just see endless reviews about a brand that they don't sell anywhere and bikes that are always red and too impractical to ride.
Not sure why the MG doesn't belong. 'Compensating for the price tag?' Was price in the criteria? If that was the case, I'd have had more objections wth your list. I just don't see the R1200GS as a tourer and the kawi is a big fat ugly blob with no topcase even available.
Look, I don't even know what a 'hypermotard' is. What the hell is it, and why should I care?
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GAJ
Registered Member
Date Joined Jul 2007
Total Posts : 4763
| Posted 1/12/2008 10:48 AM (GMT -8) | | Hell, if an HD can be a mid power/performance touring bike, and many are, a Guzzi sure as hell can be.
No need to trash one bike to laud another.
I mean, really, are there ANY truly for crap bikes being made these day by the brand name players??
My F800ST didn't make any list, but for me, it's perfect.
I do like the arguing though. | | Back to Top | | |
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moxy74
Registered Member
Date Joined Jan 2008
Total Posts : 15
| Posted 1/15/2008 7:20 PM (GMT -8) | | Can I change the subject a little? I'm genuinely curious to the general public's opinion on the rider of the year??
Casey Stoner or Ryan Villipoto??? | | Back to Top | | |
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moxy74
Registered Member
Date Joined Jan 2008
Total Posts : 15
| Posted 1/16/2008 7:09 AM (GMT -8) | | | HA!! That's a common response.......WHO IS Casey Stoner? He's MotoUSA's pic for rider of the year (pg.4 of best of 07 article), after giving Villipoto a mere honorable mention?!?! I don't get it.......but that's just me.......oh wait no it's not......it's EVERYBODY!! | | Back to Top | | |
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bmadson
MCUSA Scribbler
Date Joined Jul 2005
Total Posts : 1038
| Posted 1/16/2008 8:32 AM (GMT -8) | | | Moxy, we had long, and by long I mean multiple days-long, argument in the office over Stoner and Villopoto. I was pushing for Stoner not because Villopoto didnt have a hell of a year, but because Stoner came out of nowhere to absolutely dominate the premier roadracing series in the world. So please, vent your anger toward me. | | Back to Top | | |
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