Motorcycle Message Board - Motorcycle USA

Motorcycle USA Forums : Join the Revolution

Motorcycle Message Board - Motorcycle USA > MotorcycleUSA.com! > Around the Campfire > Fort Hood shootings

Forum Quick Jump

69 posts in this thread.
Viewing Page : 1 2 3

[ << Previous Thread | Next Thread >> | Show Newest Post First ]

GAJ
Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2007
Total Posts : 4763

Posted 11/5/2009 2:59 PM (GMT -8)

FORT HOOD, Texas – A soldier opened fire at a U.S. Army base in Fort Hood, Texas on Thursday, unleashing a stream of gunfire that left 12 people dead and 31 wounded. Authorities killed the gunman, and apprehended two other soldiers suspected in the attack.

The shooting began around 1:30 p.m., Lt. Gen. Bob Cone said at a news conference. He said all the casualties took place at the base's Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening.

"It's a terrible tragedy. It's stunning," Cone said.

Little was known about the three soldiers suspected of taking part in the attack. The soldier used two handguns, Cone said. It was not clear if the gunman had stopped to reload.

A graduation ceremony for soldiers who finished college courses while deployed was going on in an auditorium at the Readiness Center at the time of the shooting, said Sgt. Rebekah Lampam, a Fort Hood spokeswoman.

Greg Schanepp, U.S. Rep. John Carter's regional director in Texas, was representing Carter at the graduation, said John Stone, a spokesman for Carter, whose district includes the Army post.

Schanepp was at the ceremony when a soldier who had been shot in the back came running toward him and alerted him of the shooting, Stone said. The soldier told Schanepp not to go in the direction of the shooter, he said. Stone said he believes Schanepp was in the theater.

The base was locked down after the shootings. The wounded were dispersed among hospitals in central Texas, Cone said.

In Washington, President Barack Obama called the shooting "a horrific outburst of violence." He said it's a tragedy to lose a soldier overseas and even more horrifying when they come under fire at an Army base on American soil.

"We will make sure that we get answers to every single question about this horrible incident," the commander in chief said. "We are going to stay on this."

Covering 339 square miles, Fort Hood is the largest active duty armored post in the United States. Home to about 52,000 troops as of earlier this year, the sprawling base is located halfway between Austin and Waco.

Around the country, some bases stepped up security precautions, but no others were locked down.

Fort Hood officially opened on Sept. 18, 1942, and was named in honor of Gen. John Bell Hood. It has been continuously used for armored training and is charged with maintaining readiness for combat missions.

Malik Nadal Hasan is the Army Major who allegedly fired the bulk of the rounds.

500 Military personnel are sweeping across base 'secure it'

The primary shooter was killed by a local police officer. The shooter was allegedly armed with two handguns to carry out the killings, execution-style. He wanted to inflict 'maximum damage.' Two military personnel are in custody. One alleged shooter, in custody, is an Army major.

The base is still in lockdown.

'The individuals arrested are all US soldiers.'

eli iceman
Registered Member

Date Joined Apr 2007
Total Posts : 388

Posted 11/5/2009 11:56 PM (GMT -8)

One wonders if they are all Muslims.

Treefort
Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2006
Total Posts : 2125

Posted 11/6/2009 12:45 AM (GMT -8)

eli iceman said...
One wonders if they are all Muslims.

Huh?

War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always an evil, never a good. We will not learn how to live together in peace by killing each other's children.

Jimmy Carter

Richard47
Registered Member

Date Joined Sep 2004
Total Posts : 3953

Posted 11/6/2009 1:49 AM (GMT -8)

Malik Nadal Hasan might be the clue you are looking for, Treefort.

Toilet Brush Dog Owner

Casper
The teddy bear of doom,,,

Date Joined Sep 2006
Total Posts : 2635

Posted 11/6/2009 6:00 AM (GMT -8)

I guess the Major got tired of being called a camel jockey,,,

Tragic and stupid and wrong. Dammit.

Proving the skeptics right since 1967.

GAJ
Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2007
Total Posts : 4763

Posted 11/6/2009 10:48 AM (GMT -8)

He didn't want to be deployed...a complete nutcase whose actions will only make it that much more difficult for muslims to serve in future.

Too bad he's still alive.

Smitty
Registered Member

Date Joined Mar 2003
Total Posts : 18446

Posted 11/6/2009 12:16 PM (GMT -8)

GAJ is correct said Major did not want to be deployed Iraq. Guess he like all the schooling, but when it came to actually going over there that was to much for him as he was knowen to be reluctant against the Americans being over in Iraq to Afghanistan.

Still much to be picked up, but yes seemed he had a semi-auto plus another gun which could be a revolver. Also earlier on, though area is bar on anyone carrying a f/arm I heard it was a woman that wounded him, not killed as knowen to most & the woman herself was wounded.

So a lot of confusion still poor Obama is trying to come out with the correct words considering both are Muslims & not all Americans are sold on Muslims.

Thing is when over there he would NOT be on the front line (probably to fat to keep up with regular front line fighters), but consule with them to calm them down from all the stress when, in fact he did not know what stress was really like especially on the front lines.

We will pick up more later to-day or this evening.

Remember all the others on the road are crazy & out to kill you.

Casper
The teddy bear of doom,,,

Date Joined Sep 2006
Total Posts : 2635

Posted 11/6/2009 12:44 PM (GMT -8)

OBAMA IS NOT A MUSLIM.

Wow,,, just #$%ing wow. He attended Trinity United Church of Christ for 20+ years:

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/01/nation/na-obama1

He's going to George Bush's old church near camp david now:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1907610,00.html

He's married to a strong woman from Chicago whose dad was a water plant operator - sound like Farrakhan to you? What does this guy have to do to prove that he's not a muslim? Have the rosary tattooed on his a$$? Join the Knights of Columbus? Join the Bill O'reilly fan club? Buy a 12 gage? Really,,,,,,, confused

Proving the skeptics right since 1967.

Post Edited (Casper) : 11/6/2009 8:48:25 PM GMT

GAJ
Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2007
Total Posts : 4763

Posted 11/6/2009 1:07 PM (GMT -8)

Casper said...
OBAMA IS NOT A MUSLIM.

Wow,,, just #$%ing wow. He attended Trinity United Church of Christ for 20+ years:

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/01/nation/na-obama1

He's going to George Bush's old church near camp david now:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1907610,00.html

He's married to a strong woman from Chicago whose dad was a water plant operator - sound like Farrakhan to you? What does this guy have to do to prove that he's not a muslim? Have the rosary tattooed on his a$$? Join the Knights of Columbus? Join the Bill O'reilly fan club? Buy a 12 gage? Really,,,,,,,

Tiresome, hey?

Some thought Bush was the devil and now some think the same of Obama.

Neither is true, of course, but keeps the talking heads in business...on both sides.

The real devils are in the California State Legislature.

Of that there is no question.

Just found out a dear friend of my Niece is part of this Ft Hood story in a tiny way; her husband was a first responder...here's a video of him discussing the events:

www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/index.html?nvid=411589

PowerG
Registered Member

Date Joined Mar 2006
Total Posts : 727

Posted 11/6/2009 1:16 PM (GMT -8)

Try the decaf Cas, you seem a little touchy about that.

Smitty
Registered Member

Date Joined Mar 2003
Total Posts : 18446

Posted 11/6/2009 1:22 PM (GMT -8)

Okay my error, but it has been confusing as to his religion considering where he was born or whatever.

So on this matter or where I said someone reported it was a woman that shot this Major. Turned out to be a Police officer that put four rounds into this Major of where he is presently paralized, just guess how much you American Tax payers will be paying for this error. Mind you shooting someone else that is shooting back at you------can be a bit confusing. Pitty she failed to kill him.

Seems this Muslim Army Major was aiming to be a Psychiatrist Doctor when out amongst the normal business people. All that training by the Army & with word of being one of many being sent to Iraq was to much for him to accept in real life, YET in reality he could have lounged around in ease far, far away from the front line fighters.

One has to wounder about all the confussed people in Canada & USA & if WE are safe.

Remember all the others on the road are crazy & out to kill you.

Post Edited (Smitty) : 11/8/2009 2:17:37 AM GMT

PowerG
Registered Member

Date Joined Mar 2006
Total Posts : 727

Posted 11/6/2009 1:29 PM (GMT -8)

I think there's more to it than that Smitty, his allegiance was not to the U.S. or the Army, but to his religion. Nothing wrong with that I guess, but not if you're IN the Army.

Casper
The teddy bear of doom,,,

Date Joined Sep 2006
Total Posts : 2635

Posted 11/6/2009 1:50 PM (GMT -8)

We'll see how it plays out. In a way I'm glad he's alive - we'll get to pick him apart and maybe see what went wrong in his twisted little "mind". I'd gladly trade his sorry ass for one of those 12 back tho...

<<edit>> Damn, 13 now.

Cop gal's name is Sgt. Kimberly Munley - say it loud, say it proud. Nice shooting officer.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6707429.html

Proving the skeptics right since 1967.

Post Edited (Casper) : 11/6/2009 9:54:23 PM GMT

Smitty
Registered Member

Date Joined Mar 2003
Total Posts : 18446

Posted 11/6/2009 1:59 PM (GMT -8)

According to neighbors this recently commissioned Major was quite polite, though did NOT have any friends, but deeply religious. That would be what threw him off in being over in Iraq & the very idea of shooting fellow Muslims, but in his case as a Army Major Psychiatrist he would NOT be shooting at fellow Muslims. Just having talks with some, on the front line & having a hard time accepting all that was going on.

He also wanted to get out of the Army so he could become a Doctor of what he had been trained, but like all that the Army teach one has to spend so many yrs & that was something he could NOT get out of at the time. Unfortunately his brain blew its cool & so easy to shoot fellow Army people since all were not armed according to rules of where they were.

Remember all the others on the road are crazy & out to kill you.

Post Edited (Smitty) : 11/8/2009 2:19:22 AM GMT

louemc
Registered Member

Date Joined Mar 2003
Total Posts : 15448

Posted 11/6/2009 2:37 PM (GMT -8)

Umm, in the World Wars (1st and 2nd), European Catholics were shooting American Catholics.

I'm not so sure that Muslim religion is a reason. If it was...Our Army is at fault for keeping him in the Army.

This American that is a Muslim, had a history of Whacko beliefs. Main stream religions have splinter groups that are whacko, every form of religion does.
The whacko's in Waco Texas, Jones Town in Guinea, and too many to mention throughout History.

Why the Army didn't act on Major Hasan's behaviour (he had a web site, expressing his beliefs) better get addressed, or nothing will improve.

Focus the forces, Be The Force

Post Edited (louemc) : 11/6/2009 10:40:19 PM GMT

Well Enuff
--- Regaining my sanity --- one ride at time

Date Joined Jul 2006
Total Posts : 1252

Posted 11/6/2009 3:21 PM (GMT -8)

But, wait a minute... I read it on the internet. How could that be wrong?

jon
Registered Member

Date Joined Aug 2004
Total Posts : 4569

Posted 11/6/2009 4:11 PM (GMT -8)

incidents like this is what haters like to use as a scapegoat to target all muslim together just because they are different but when someone like timothy mcveigh did his deed, for some reason those same type of haters didn't blame all the people that look like timothy. it's probably because most of the haters of difference race, religion, etc., look like timothy.

i agree, this major is a total nut and should be punished severely but i can't group all muslim with him like the haters calling talk radios and the ones on the net when referring to this incident.

thesoapster
Registered Member

Date Joined Sep 2007
Total Posts : 470

Posted 11/6/2009 5:43 PM (GMT -8)

Agreed, jon.

For all the wackos proclaiming to be Christian, I don't see the same treatment applied to ALL just because of the FEW. The Muslims I have met so far have been very respectable people. I didn't really find any distinguishing characteristics that made them better/worse in my mind than anyone else.

The Branch Davidians that were killed in Waco were a splinter off the denomination I used to be a part of (agnostic now). I don't go around thinking all my Christian friends even come close to prescribing to those types of beliefs. They may share a similar title, but underneath the cover all of them have very different stories.

GeoffG
Harley Ninja!

Date Joined Jun 2003
Total Posts : 9193

Posted 11/6/2009 5:54 PM (GMT -8)

Smitty said...
Okay my error, but it has been confusing as to his religion considering where he was born or whatever.

Uh...Smitty, a person has to be born in the US in order to run for President, AFAIK. Obama was born in Hawaii, which was part of the US the last time I checked...

I have a question...if this was on a military base, how come it took a civilian (I assume) police officer to shoot the guy?

Wixxy
Registered Member

Date Joined Sep 2005
Total Posts : 969

Posted 11/6/2009 7:59 PM (GMT -8)

It's my understanding that some bases now are patrolled by contract and/or local police departments. Some are also covered by local fire departments.

'08 Ducati 848

'99 Ducati 750 SS (half converted to full)

'95 BMW 318is

'95 Dalmatian

'06 Ford/Pierce Contender Rescue Truck (currently bumped down to a Sutphen Pumper...bleh...hate riding 'big' fire trucks)

Instructor for Accident Scene Management, Inc., an organization dedicated to teaching emergency first aid and other safety measures to motorcyclists. Ask me about it!

southspice
SV Power

Date Joined May 2007
Total Posts : 1071

Posted 11/6/2009 10:19 PM (GMT -8)

This is so sad, events such as this makes all of us question!! Can you imagine how this would make one feel knowing you were due for deployment the following week / month? My heart goes out to all the families and loved ones. What a shame to have life ended in this way!!!! The poor family members who will have to find someway to accept!!

Richard47
Registered Member

Date Joined Sep 2004
Total Posts : 3953

Posted 11/7/2009 1:37 AM (GMT -8)

I'm sure you will find many Muslims that are reasonable people but I think it is fair to say that there are many Muslims that take their religion far too seriously. That is why they pronounce a 'fatwah' against a person who they consider has offended their religion. How can that be right in this day and age? Taking religion too far is never a good thing, all too often it leads to intolerance and violence.

Toilet Brush Dog Owner

thesoapster
Registered Member

Date Joined Sep 2007
Total Posts : 470

Posted 11/7/2009 7:46 AM (GMT -8)

There are many Christians who take their religion far too seriously (in my opinion). The term "fatwah" does not equate to a kill order. Its broadest definition is simply a "religious opinion". They do not apply to the whole population because that would mean religious teachers could speak law, and then of course there are conflicting opinions amongst the scholars/teachers/leaders, which would also be troublesome. The Muslims who actually put a death mark on people because they feel offended in some way (or simply feel the need to "resist" the non-believers) are radicals. Using the term "many" does not really talk about numbers. When considering Islam in numbers, also consider nations like Turkey and Indonesia (even Iran). The vast majority around the world do not fit into the extremist camp.

Richard47
Registered Member

Date Joined Sep 2004
Total Posts : 3953

Posted 11/7/2009 9:30 AM (GMT -8)

I don't disagree with what you say, soapster. I went to Turkey last year and, where I was, there were plenty of signs that it is an Islamic country, but not to excess. It is in fact a secular nation (officially) but I understand that there is a minority who are pushing to change that. And there is the problem with Islam IMO. Too many fundamentalists wishing to push their views on the moderate majority.

Toilet Brush Dog Owner

louemc
Registered Member

Date Joined Mar 2003
Total Posts : 15448

Posted 11/7/2009 11:29 AM (GMT -8)

Richard47 said... Taking religion too far is never a good thing, all too often it leads to intolerance and violence.

Just taking a wild guess, but..I have a suspicion that it's close...About half of the killings, through out History, from handful numbers to full blown Nation against Nation Wars are conflicts of religion. And both side think that God is on their side.

Focus the forces, Be The Force

69 posts in this thread.
Viewing Page : 1 2 3

Forum Information

Currently it is Saturday, November 21, 2009 3:59 PM (GMT -8)
There are a total of 447,378 posts in 35,241 threads.
In the last 3 days there were 14 new threads and 218 reply posts. View Active Threads