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Posted By : brian93cbr900rr - 4/26/2007 1:10 PM
] does anyone besides me love the first mad max???i totally wanted to be toecutter,without having to kill...lol


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Posted By : martinjmpr - 4/26/2007 1:43 PM

I liked it much better after I got the DVD with the original Aussie dialogue.  Up until then all we had was the dubbed "American" version that seemed weird. 

My favorite character was Bubba Zanetti. 

Favorite part (outside the courtroom where Johnny the Boy is being tried): 

Kid:  "Hey, mister, what happened to the car?"

Bubba:  "What do you think happened to it?"

Kid:  "It looks like it was chewed up and spat out."

Bubba:  "Perhaps it was the result of an anxiety." 

tongue


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Back in '55 We were makin' Thunderbirds" - Bob Seger


Posted By : brian93cbr900rr - 4/26/2007 1:55 PM
ahhh yes,great scene....i kinda like the goose to.....mad max of coarse is the man,only if mel kept cool like max,in real life,...lol...


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Posted By : ianisme - 4/26/2007 2:09 PM
They dubbed it into American !!!! Thats so pathetic. Are they seriously suggesting Americans would not understand an Aussie accent, or were they trying to appeal more to the home market?


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Posted By : brian93cbr900rr - 4/26/2007 2:36 PM
aussie accent is cool,i would of under stood,aussie accent in women is sexy...


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Posted By : martinjmpr - 4/26/2007 2:38 PM
ianisme said...
They dubbed it into American !!!! Thats so pathetic. Are they seriously suggesting Americans would not understand an Aussie accent, or were they trying to appeal more to the home market?

The former.  They thought American audiences wouldn't understand the accents or the slang.  For example, in the radio chatter that goes on in the background of the chase scene at the beginning of the movie, one of the policeman states that the Night Rider went berserk and killed a "probie" (i.e. a probationary police officer.)  In the dubbed American version this was changed to "rookie" which is what we call a newly-recruited cop.  Other parts were also dubbed and had slight changes made to the slang so that American audiences would understand it. 
 
I don't really agree with their decision.  While it's true some non-US anglophone slang seems odd to hear, we can generally figure out what it means by the context, if nothing else. 
 
The "special edition" version of the DVD that you can buy now actually has both soundtracks on it, as well as having both the widescreen and the regular screen versions, so if you rent it, you can listen yourself and compare the two. 
 
Note:  Speaking of non-American anglophone slang, I read the book "Bravo Two Zero" by Andy McNab and had a very difficult time with the Brit slang he used.  "Chuffed", "bone", "Rupert" "slot" and several other terms I had to divine just from the context in which they appeared.  I think later versions of the book actually had a glossary. 


Martin
 
Denver, CO

"They were long, and low, and sleek, and fast, they were Classic, in a word
Back in '55 We were makin' Thunderbirds" - Bob Seger


Posted By : brian93cbr900rr - 4/26/2007 2:49 PM
thats what im talkin about,if theres any common sense,people can finger it out....lol.............................


we are bike riders,there for we are invisable..........


Posted By : GeoffG - 4/26/2007 4:34 PM
Talking of dumbing stuff down for American audiences...who else here has actually read any of the "Harry Potter" books? Did you read "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone," or "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone?" The latter is the US-only version (thankfully we got the original British version here in Canada). I assume the American publishers were afraid American kids wouldn't be bright enough to figure out the British colloquialisms.

BTW, one of my riding buddies is "Bubba Zanetti" on another motorcycle forum...

Posted By : Spahrep - 4/26/2007 4:55 PM
I actualy recently watched the mad max trillogy for the first time. Not realizing that one of the movies was a re-release we watched Road Warrior first, then Mad Max and then thunderdome based on the release dates on the tapes (yes, we borrowed them on VHS, had to digout the VCR).

Personaly I hated Mad max. Road warrior was great and thunderdome was good, thats my 2 cents.


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Posted By : Smitty - 4/26/2007 6:46 PM
That is hard to believe Ian.  I did not realize that some so called brains in the movie world felt Americans could not catch onto the Aussie slang & lingo.  When you think if it that is so darn funny.
 
I have two aussie friends.  Both are honest to gosh working cow-pokes.  They do the same over in Australia during our cold season & are here in our summer time.  It takes a few minutes to get accustom to their dialict though sometimes I am lost if it is a cattleman slang word & all I need do is ask & they are willing to explain it to the sort of city like Cdn.  After all I am the crazy bastard that rides one of those crazy motorcycles yet poor bugger tried to be a ruddy fruit orchardist. 



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Posted By : ianisme - 4/26/2007 7:22 PM
Well if any of you folks need translation services, then feel free to ask. For the record Martin....

1. Chuffed = very happy
2. Bone = depending on the context, but probably means to have sex with
3. Rupert = derogatory term used by enlisted soldiers to mean an officer. Derived from many officers coming from the upper classes, which is the only class likely to lumber their sons with a name like "Rupert"!
4. slot = kill somebody.

This website is quite useful for some of the more obscure terms www.peevish.co.uk/slang/

For military slang (of which there is a truly stupendous amount) then you might like to try The British Army Rumour Service. When there, be sure to check out some of the threads in The Best of NAAFI. Just prepare to be offended.


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Post Edited (ianisme) : 4/27/2007 2:27:56 AM GMT


Posted By : sockjohn - 4/26/2007 7:28 PM
brian93cbr900rr said...
] does anyone besides me love the first mad max???i totally wanted to be toecutter,without having to kill...lol


That movie always drove me nuts with the supercharger he could turn on and off. That would have been one rather large clutch, the clutch on an A/C compressor only has to handle like 2-3 hp, a monster supercharger something like 50 hp so it would resemble a compact car clutch.

Not very practical, but I suppose a turbo wouldn't have looked as cool.

Posted By : brian93cbr900rr - 4/26/2007 7:42 PM
sockjohn,thats very true,i just loved the whole freedom of the bikers is basically what im gettin too............at least in the first of the trilagy.......


we are bike riders,there for we are invisable..........


Posted By : Andy VH - 4/26/2007 8:25 PM
I too have always liked the Mad Max trilogy. Except now I'll have to get the Aussie version.

Thunderdome was great for many reasons, not the least was Tina Turner,.....GGRRROOOWWWWLLLLL!!

What was that phrase Aunty Entity had for Max?
 
 
Too bad the original had to "dumbed down" for the American market. I'm surprised they still showed them driving on the left!


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Posted By : CaddmannQ - 4/27/2007 9:16 AM
She called him "Raggedy Man".

I own all 3 on DVD, but I didn't know that American and Australian language versions both existed on them, and I honestly can't say that I watched one or the other for sure. I think I recall the term "probie" being used though.

Now I'll have to go watch them again. eyes


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Posted By : MattyWall - 4/27/2007 9:05 PM
G'day
i was recently over in the US for a few months and Mad Max was on the telly and i noticed the slight changes in dialogue as well.
This "dumbing down" as you have been calling it occurs on almost all of your movies, i watched gone in 60 seconds while i was there and they change the wording to take out any kind of swear words. i found it quite annoying actually, i reken theres nothing wrong with swearing within reason of course

Posted By : Smax - 4/27/2007 11:36 PM
:p GREAT post!! I like this Brian-guy. Welcome to mcusa!

"This is a threshold moment, Johnny... STEP THROUGH!"

"The Bronze... they take our pride!"

I could go on all day...

Are you aware there is a Mad Max IV that's been in the works for a few years (Miller/Kennedy prod.)? google Mad Max and be amazed! There are annual Mad Maxathons in Oz and the UK where fans show up in costume driving/riding MM bikes/car replicas. The origional cars (Falcons Holdens) go for millions. I'll post a pic of a dead-on Goose-replica 'Kwaka" Z. Rich history concerning the bikes (note that all Z's have "Kwaka" on the tanks). The sound recording is impeccable. The Weiand 6:71 blower actually was activated by the PTO button seen in film.

"A piece hear, a piece there...". Max: "When do we go for a RIDE?!?"

Thanks. Now I know why you're in to 'rat' bikes, Brain.

Toecutter (Hugh Keyes Berney): "We have a problem here... she is not what she seems. She was sent by the Bronze. Full of threcherty... Bubba - put 'er against the fence! Mudguts - get outta there!"...



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Posted By : mistertoadie - 4/28/2007 2:21 PM
It's "put 'er against the post". I've loved the whole mad max thing since I first saw it back in the early eighties. I always new the dialogue was dubbed, but never knew there was an aussie version still in exsistence until they started airing it on american television a few years ago. Makes it even better in some ways, but I miss the americanized version of the scene where Toecutter questions the garage owner about "that wagon"..."yep"....come through here?" ..." yeah, nice couple with a kid, left their spare, darn good one too..." toe cutter grabs him by the nose "who?" "...a couple...passin' through...said they was headed nawth...mbabee..." The sound of the mechanics voice with his nose pinched was hilarious.

P.S. That is also one reason why my handle is mistertoadie. From "The Roadwarrior" "Toadie...the gas!" "the tanks are full oh mighty one...and it's all yours..." BOOM!


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Posted By : mistertoadie - 4/28/2007 2:26 PM
Sheesh...you really got me goin' I could talk about those movies for HOURS!!! "that there is Cundolini, and Cundolini, wants his hand back!"


I'm only happy when I'm in the wind, sometimes I wish this road would never end. So if you're lookin' for me my friend, you can find me in the wind..you can find me in the wind...


Posted By : Smax - 4/28/2007 8:53 PM
mistertoadie said...
... P.S. That is also one reason why my handle is mistertoadie. From "The Roadwarrior" "Toadie...the gas!" "the tanks are full oh mighty one...and it's all yours..." BOOM!


cool lol

Does the first part of my sig ring a bell?? (FiFi & Max's intro scene).


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Posted By : kneedragginchick - 4/28/2007 9:09 PM
This thread is funny. My husband loves all the Max Mad movies.


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Posted By : mistertoadie - 4/28/2007 11:38 PM
Scoot jockeys? Yeah...nomad trash.


I'm only happy when I'm in the wind, sometimes I wish this road would never end. So if you're lookin' for me my friend, you can find me in the wind..you can find me in the wind...


Posted By : Smax - 4/29/2007 7:45 AM
lol This thread IS funny! I just realized that as much as I think the 'Rocky Horror' cultists are oddballs, we're just the same! And the homoerotic overtones are just too similar (Budda Zanetti was in fact portrayed as Toe's 'boy')... Hmmmmmm :p

And Humongus(sp) and the ass-chap-wearin' warriors in the later Max movies.....

636Adam: have YOU seen the Max movies yet? Rent/download the first two. The Kawi-sounds are incredible!


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Posted By : Smax - 4/29/2007 7:52 AM
cool lol Just located this goldmine on my HD:





Johnny: "Seeya later, Goose...(tap-tap) nice knowin ya!". Anyone know what the open-mouth "tap-tap" to the back of Johnny The Boy's neck signifies???


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Post Edited (Smax) : 4/30/2007 2:46:09 AM GMT


Posted By : 636ADAM - 4/29/2007 2:28 PM
I love all 3 movies..I am going to have to rent them again though...I never paid much attentiont to the bikes..SMAX the pic you posted with the cop on the bike,seeing the breath guard brings the whole back for me.. Is it me or does anyone else think Stephen king stole the idea for "The Stand" From this movie..


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Posted By : mistertoadie - 4/29/2007 4:58 PM
Jeez Smax, Please don't put those two pics in the same league. The Goose bike is at least a modern replica based on a real performance movie bike of the past, although the "to the letter" costume IS a bit creepy. That pink 'Busa thing is just an atrocity(sp). That guy should be laughed right out of the motorcycling community.lol


I'm only happy when I'm in the wind, sometimes I wish this road would never end. So if you're lookin' for me my friend, you can find me in the wind..you can find me in the wind...


Posted By : ianisme - 4/29/2007 5:37 PM
I think The Stand was written before this movie appeared. In any case, it doesn't seem too much like it to me.


The Nazis were feared for their Blitzkrieg breakfasts.


Posted By : brian93cbr900rr - 4/29/2007 6:12 PM
omg,smax,im glad you guys like me,lol............that pink bike is,well im going to be nice,lol...you got give him this,he put alot of love and money into toit.............


we are bike riders,there for we are invisable..........


Posted By : Smax - 4/29/2007 7:44 PM
blush Ooppss The bling-machine shouldn't have been there - I'll remove it; it was ment for that goofy "Cuctom Sportbike" thread we had a while back.

Brian, when I saw your bike pic I immed. thought "Mad Max" - Cundalini or Johnny's bike.



"That chain" (on Johnny's handcuffed ankle) "is high-tensile steel". "It'd you ten..." "Now if you're lucky you can hack thru your ankle in five...". 5 min later... BOOM! :-)


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Posted By : BigCountry - 4/30/2007 7:40 AM
KZ1000.

Was a GREAT motorcycle...heck it still is.
:D


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Posted By : martinjmpr - 4/30/2007 9:32 AM
636ADAM said...
 Is it me or does anyone else think Stephen king stole the idea for "The Stand" From this movie..
 
Not at all.  First off, I'm pretty sure "the Stand" came out before "Mad Max."  IIRC The Stand hit the shelves around 1977 or 78.  Mad Max was 79 or 80. 
 
However, more to the point, the story of the postapolcalyptic future was a very common one at that time.  Nearly 20 years after the Cold War ended, it's hard to remember (and for those who weren't born or who were very small, it's impossible to remember) how the Cold War shaped so much of our culture.  There was quite a bit of postapocalyptic fiction in that time period:  Books like Lucifer's Hammer by Jerry Pournelle and Larry Niven, Books like King's The Stand, Movies like the Omega Man (early 70's), Damnation Alley, Planet of the Apes, TV movies like The Day After, Special Bulletin, etc, all dwelled on the notion of a lawless, post-nuclear-war world. 
 
So, Mad Max was not by any means the first movie to explore the idea of the post-WWIII world and the breakdown of society.  In fact, if I hadn't actually seen "The Road Warrior" first, I might not have even gotten the post-apocalypse references in Mad Max.  The only clues are things like the "Hall of Justice" with one of the letters hanging askew, and the posted "forbidden zones" on the road (what were those supposed to be, anyway?  Areas contaminated by radiation, or just areas that were "beyond the Pale,"  i.e., outside the boundaries of civilization (or "civilisation" as the Ozzies would undoubtedly spell it. :p ) )
 
In The Road Warrior, they make the post WWIII connection much more explicit with the prologue. 
 
One of the other things I liked about Mad Max was the wry humor that infuses the movie.  I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that while MFP could mean "Main Force Patrol", it could just as easily mean "Mother F___ing Pigs."  The whole thing with the mannequin being "executed" by the Toecutter's gang is just bizzare (as is the Toecutter's moniker.)  Things like the nightclub singer's room with a Kewpie doll nailed to the door, and the Night Rider's final monologue, complete with AC/DC lyrics ("I'm a rocker, I'm a roller/I'm a right out of controller") - all of them were great examples of a movie that didn't take itself too seriously. 
 
The Road Warrior is a much more serious movie, and much more conventionally crafted (except, I suppose, for the character of The Toadie, referring to The Humungous as "The Ayatollah of Rock n' Rollah!"
 
 It was also written after Miller had read up a lot of Joseph Campbell (who wrote "The Hero with a Thousand Faces" about the common "hero's journey" style of storytelling.)  In fact, back in 1996 I took a college class on the oral storytelling tradition, and as we started discussing the elments of the classic "hero's journey", I said "wait a minute, that's the same plot as 'The Road Warrior!'"  It is indeed and it's no accident.  The Road Warrior is probably one of the purest examples of the Hero's Journey set in a modern setting. 


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Back in '55 We were makin' Thunderbirds" - Bob Seger

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Posted By : Smax - 4/30/2007 9:51 AM
Martin, "Forbidden Zones" were just that, beyond the pale of civilasation, inhabited by the gas/pillage-hungry scoot jockeys/nomad trash and other desparate miscrients(sp).

It's said that Miller wanted to show the carnage he'd witnessed in the hospital emergency room as a Doctor, and somehow MM/RW was the vehicle.

So many think the 2 movies are trite (Beyond was just silly and not recognized, even by Miller, as having any social impact. It's good v evil, Western, soap, whatever it is...

It's one of the only movies I'll watch whenever it's on. 3AM? No prob. MM rocks!

PS: Max Rockatanski will not appear in MM IV, even as an aged Max. Hope they don't mess it up using some jerk. Sam Elliot would be perfect...


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